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« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2006, 08:44:43 AM »
Whiskey and RedBull just doesn't sound the same. We call Vodka and RedBull here a "Pulse".

I call it "something nobody over twenty-five would be stupid enough to drink". I'll take my Old Sheep Dip thank you; or if I want to drink alone, my Laphroaig. (I like Islay malts.)

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Re: Do You Think We've Found Achilles' Heel?
« Reply #46 on: October 21, 2006, 09:50:06 AM »
I call it "something nobody over twenty-five would be stupid enough to drink".
Well, there was this party you see....My Nieces' 21st Birthday....
....OK, so I was stupid enough.......
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« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2006, 12:29:05 PM »
Sorry about that, Chief.


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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #49 on: October 21, 2006, 12:39:48 PM »
instead fo trying to voice my own opinion on the subject, what is the Church's view and stand on Darwinian Evolution and what of modern interpretation on evolutionary theory?

I was raiused to believe in a seven dayuy dcreation and the Earth to be roughly 6,000 years old. I always thought this to be a bit questionable but I accepted it due to the ages of those in Genesis. The only room for question was the date of 4004 bc. would be the date of the expulsion from the Garden. I always questioned how ong were they in the Garden for.

So, if someone could please fill me in on the Orthodox Church's stand on this I would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2006, 04:04:34 PM »
OK; this actually isn't a violation of the boycott because Pangiotis is a relatively new member and he sincerely asked questions (besides, his posts are very good, and the face of the Sr. GM shines upon him... :) )

Anyway, the thread 'Evolution and Orthodoxy' from the Faith forum about a year ago was of interest. You will note that M777 participated in that one a little, but still he apparently felt the need to dwell upon this question:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,7149.0.html

Running 'evolution' in the Search function here will also pull up interesting threads, but also will display every time someone used the word 'evolution'. It's still interesting to pursue every thread and the use of this word. However, I'm one of those people who like to just randomly open encyclopedias and read what comes up, so my idea of 'fun' may not be shared by all.
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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2006, 04:29:55 PM »
THank you, Chris! Informative and small too! Easy to read.
Blessings to you o the smiling down upon me. lol

Now I guess the thread can return now to boycott then.

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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2006, 02:19:31 AM »
If you desire the truly Orthodox understanding of Genesis, seek the consensus of the fathers of the Church. Anything else would be a recent invention. It is also worth noting that modern church fathers have written at length in defense of the traditional Orthodox understanding, in direct opposition to evolutionary theory.

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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2006, 03:09:36 AM »
James 1:8
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

The product of cognitive dissonance is spiritual and psychological instability. When Western science forms conclusions in direct opposition to Scripture and Tradition, we have the right as Orthodox Christians to disagree.

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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2006, 12:00:25 PM »
I am sory this subject is under boycot, I would like to discuss it. It is a mystery to me why those who are exasperated by it don't simply ignore the thread.

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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #55 on: October 26, 2006, 01:19:52 PM »
I am sory this subject is under boycot, I would like to discuss it. It is a mystery to me why those who are exasperated by it don't simply ignore the thread.

Hedley,

Unfortunately, it's because many of us have become frustrated by the way discussions engendered by M777 just seem to travel round and round and round with no logical thrust or purpose.  Just check out his many posts to see what I mean.  (Go to his profile and click on "show the last posts of this person.") 

I don't know if others feel this way, but I have experienced similar frustration regarding discussions surrounding evolution in general on this board.  There are plenty of old threads you can find here to look into it for yourself.  The topic has been looked at quite a lot over the last few months.  Some discussion was, I think, very stimulating and interesting, and some was aimless and pointless.

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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #56 on: October 26, 2006, 01:39:22 PM »
I am sory this subject is under boycot, I would like to discuss it. It is a mystery to me why those who are exasperated by it don't simply ignore the thread.

The boycott was initiated for the following reasons:

1. This topic has been done, literally, to death. Every one of these threads discusses evolution:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,7920.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,7149.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,7831.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,7497.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,5707.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,5786.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,5744.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,5734.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,8428.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,8457.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,9556.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,8672.0.html

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,5431.0.html


These are just the first few that come to mind; there are many others.

2. You will note that most of these threads have a preponderance of posts from one particular individual. This individual combines the attributes of being unable to learn new concepts with the inability to create thoughtful posts as well as a desperate tenacity to ineffectually prove any point.

3. Finally, just because I have initiated the boycott and others have agreed that this boycott is needed, does not in any way force you to join the boycott. You may continue to try to thoughtfully dscuss this topic, although by doing so you may expose yourself to that particular poster. For the sake of my sanity, I initiated this boycott as repeated exposure to a certain poster was causing deleterious effects in my composure as well as intruding on my dreams (no, I'm not kidding).

So, post at your own risk---if you so dare.

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Re: bunnies and pancakes
« Reply #58 on: October 26, 2006, 05:06:08 PM »
Leaping Lizards!!  I had not heard of this new threat or menace or whatever it is.  What else will so be wearing pancakes?

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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #59 on: October 26, 2006, 06:05:34 PM »
I am sory this subject is under boycot, I would like to discuss it. It is a mystery to me why those who are exasperated by it don't simply ignore the thread.

I too would enjoy discussing this subject, amongst others that are under boycott...however, debating with certain people is comprable to banging your head against a brick wall. Thus I have slowly and reluctantly joining the boycott...after all, my head is getting a bit sore from that brick wall. If you have a topic that you really want to discuss, consider starting your own thread, rather than laching on to a boycotted one.
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Re: Bunnies with Pancakes on their Heads: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2006, 06:29:56 PM »
Leaping Lizards!!  I had not heard of this new threat or menace or whatever it is.  What else will so be wearing pancakes?

There seems to be no limit to how far this will go.....It's truly astonishing and outrageous.  :o
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Re: Bunnies with Pancakes on their Heads: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2006, 06:31:14 PM »
It's truly astonishing and outrageous.    :o

Was it bunnies wearing pancakes in 18th Century Russia?  No, it was not!  Is outrage!
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Re: Bunnies with Pancakes on their Heads: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2006, 06:36:35 PM »
Was it bunnies wearing pancakes in 18th Century Russia?  No, it was not!  Is outrage!

You are found to be making correct assertion regarding heterodox rabbit!  What is to be coming next?  Frogs singing broadway melodies?   :o
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Re: Bunnies with Pancakes on their Heads: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2006, 07:21:04 PM »
You are found to be making correct assertion regarding heterodox rabbit!  What is to be coming next?  Frogs singing broadway melodies?   :o

You had to ask....  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saU-Bl0feSs

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Titanic Bunnies: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2006, 07:23:13 PM »
Equal Rights For Pancake Wearing Bunnies Now!

http://www.angryalien.com/0604/titanicbunnies.html
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Re: Bunnies with Pancakes on their Heads: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2006, 09:30:39 PM »
You had to ask....  ;D

A true classic of its genre!   ;D
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Re: Titanic Bunnies: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2006, 09:31:45 PM »
Equal Rights For Pancake Wearing Bunnies Now!

As loathe as I am to admit it, I have to say that you make a compelling argument for their case here.....
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Re: Rabbit Stew: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2006, 09:42:04 PM »
Actually, I don't think that bunny is wearing a pancake.  I think he is wearing bliny!   Rabbit stew with bliny...I'm getting hungry and getting an idea for Sunday dinner.   :D
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Re: Rabbit Stew: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #69 on: October 28, 2006, 04:04:34 PM »
Actually, I don't think that bunny is wearing a pancake.  I think he is wearing bliny!   Rabbit stew with bliny...I'm getting hungry and getting an idea for Sunday dinner.   :D

Whoa!   :o   Now there's a whole new twist on this that I hadn't even considered.....
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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #70 on: October 28, 2006, 04:12:47 PM »
Stefatho? Yummy...
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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #71 on: October 29, 2006, 03:10:25 AM »
Please allow me to qualify that this thread is not at all intended to promote young earth creationism. I am not a young earther, and I find young earth belief to be just as unsatisfying, if not more so, than evolution. You might think that I have an unwillingness to learn, but that is not true. I consider myself a freethinker, and could not live any other way. I'm sorry if I've ever sounded otherwise. We cannot love God with all our minds if we refuse to keep our minds open.

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« Reply #72 on: October 29, 2006, 11:16:59 PM »
After Bazaar and 4 beers today I went to Cold Stone, and it was divine........has anyone been, I had such a hard time picking theres was soo many kinds, so I got the bubble gum one in the form of a milshake, imagine, a bubblegum ice cream milk shake, the things they come up with.............didn't sit right with the rolling rock though, went home took a nap for an hour, everything was cool after that, then I went down and got a Kid's Cusine, I had the most unusual craving for a Kid's Cusine, so now here I am doing French homework, eating a Kid's Cusine, contemplating if I should go buy another one...........
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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #73 on: October 29, 2006, 11:30:45 PM »
What is a Kid's Cuisine????

Coldstone is AMAZING.  I like how the white chocolate one with gummi bears tastes like rum....
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You forgot to change the topic ZEBU!!!
« Reply #74 on: October 29, 2006, 11:43:58 PM »
You have never heard of Kid Cusine!!! Sigh, my poor sheltered friend: http://www.ray3dzone.com/kc.html

And gummy bears taste horrible, that is not up for discussion, it is bone-hard scientific fact....
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« Reply #75 on: October 30, 2006, 12:04:20 AM »
Ew ew ew ew ew! My parents used to make us eat those when we were little and had a baby sitter! I cannot stand those! It's like prison food or something!

Gummy bears are amazing.  You don't know what you are talking about.  Probably it is your inferior public-school education, can't compare with our superior Jesuit institution here at SU....
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« Reply #76 on: October 30, 2006, 12:18:00 AM »
Now that was just uncalled for Zebu..........UW is just as "special", my English teacher told us so, everyone is the best at everything!

And I have wondered out into my dorm's courtyard with my labtop, and theres is a guy who fell asleep and is snoring, and snoring drives me mad, hes about to get kicked in the face..........
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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #77 on: October 30, 2006, 12:39:31 AM »
Psh...But everyone knows that a liberal education is the foundation of all knowledge, and that you public vocational education was originally intended for slaves! Therefore, you are a slave. HA!  See how Jesuits are better....

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« Reply #78 on: October 30, 2006, 12:43:53 AM »
At UW we have a superb liberal education, I mean, our psychology professor made it in David Horowitz's new book "Dangerous Professors". Quite liberal I say. And everyone knows that Jesuits are really Freemason Zionist Jews in cassocks.......... :D
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« Reply #79 on: October 30, 2006, 12:56:21 AM »
GOSH! The world "liberal" in "liberal education" comes from the world "libre" meaning, "free" as in a free, or un-enslaved man.  Shows how much UW taught you! 

Actually, pretty much all of them have dropped the charade of cassocks.  :D  One of my profs says Jesus didn't exist even as a historical person! Apparently we stole our entire religion from Mithraism. At the same time God ordered the world in unchanging eternal and divine laws, which are reflected in human and natural laws.  But God evolves.  Makes total sense, no?
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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #80 on: October 30, 2006, 01:01:56 AM »
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GOSH! The world "liberal" in "liberal education" comes from the world "libre" meaning, "free" as in a free, or un-enslaved man.  Shows how much UW taught you!
So, how many here are Libertarians?
Show of hands?
Okay, me and... Who else?
*not a political deturrent, just a joke.

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Re: Don't make me sick my Freemason Zionist Jew profs on you...
« Reply #81 on: October 30, 2006, 01:18:19 AM »
GOSH! The world "liberal" in "liberal education" comes from the world "libre" meaning, "free" as in a free, or un-enslaved man.  Shows how much UW taught you! 

Actually, pretty much all of them have dropped the charade of cassocks.  :D  One of my profs says Jesus didn't exist even as a historical person! Apparently we stole our entire religion from Mithraism. At the same time God ordered the world in unchanging eternal and divine laws, which are reflected in human and natural laws.  But God evolves.  Makes total sense, no?

One of professors told us the way religon was invented, Is that when we were evolving, our skulls got bigger, so our brains got bigger, and we nothing to do, so being bored, we made up religon. Then she showed us a video from a guy at UCLA who backed her up. It was the stupidest thing I ever heard. I mean how many animals out there have bigger brains then us?
I just know no UCLA graduate school for me.............I'm thinking University of Rochester................but I have to learn German, eh........then I went to my English class with my professor from Perdue, who told us to do a in-class writing on how to make a peanut butter sandwich.......

And also, these clergy such as Jesuits, Bishops etc, who do not believe in Jesus or a strict sense of morality, what is the point of being celibate for them?
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« Reply #82 on: October 30, 2006, 01:20:50 AM »
So, how many here are Libertarians?
Show of hands?
Okay, me and... Who else?
*not a political deturrent, just a joke.

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You need to change the title! Jeeeze..............
Also I'm eating Ivars clam chowder right now, Im a pig............but you.....envy.........yea of course
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« Reply #83 on: October 30, 2006, 01:40:34 AM »
I have the an excerpt from this song stuck in my head, we sing it in French, thank god we are learning a new one on wednesday................
"All this indignation have I hurled, At the pretending part of the proud world. Who, swollen with selfish vanity devise: false freedoms, holy cheats, and formal lies, Over their fellow slaves to tyrannize." - John Wilmot

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HAHA vous chantez dans la classe de francais a l'universite de Washington!!
« Reply #84 on: October 30, 2006, 01:50:26 AM »
Vos profs ne peuvent pas enseigner! HAHA! Nous ne chantons pas a l'universite de Seattle.  Nous apprenons des choses importantes, par exemple: les femmes sont des fautes et elles sont stupides.  Les femmes sont degoutants, lol.

But...ARE they celibate?  :o
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Singing is awesome, UW is awesome! SU is like Evergreen State! Double slam!
« Reply #85 on: October 30, 2006, 02:09:45 AM »
Blah, jesuites parlent francais comme des porcs! Francais de porc il est!

Chevaliers de la table ronde
Goutons voir si le vin est bon!
We clap while singing this! :)



Zebu,
Vos jesuites sont des chauvins!
"All this indignation have I hurled, At the pretending part of the proud world. Who, swollen with selfish vanity devise: false freedoms, holy cheats, and formal lies, Over their fellow slaves to tyrannize." - John Wilmot

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Re: Darwinian Evolution: The Beginning of Heresy
« Reply #86 on: October 30, 2006, 02:16:45 AM »
Meh...les jesuites sont stupides.  Tu as raison! :D  Mais SU n'est pas comme Evergreen State...Nous somes pires, lol.

Mais oui, les jesuits n'ont pas besoin des femmes, seulement des garcons, lol.


Moderation:
Veuillez observer les règlements de forum et le décorum chrétien, même lorsqu'écrivant en français.
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bonne nuit chacun!
« Reply #87 on: October 30, 2006, 02:26:29 AM »
Meh...les jesuites sont stupides.  Tu as raison! :D  Mais SU n'est pas comme Evergreen State...Nous somes pires, lol.

Mais oui, les jesuits n'ont pas besoin des femmes, seulement des garcons, lol. 

Slam sur les jesuites

Evergreen est tres boiteux! M777 s'occupe du la.................

Changer l'espion de jesuite de titre!
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"All this indignation have I hurled, At the pretending part of the proud world. Who, swollen with selfish vanity devise: false freedoms, holy cheats, and formal lies, Over their fellow slaves to tyrannize." - John Wilmot

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Re: Je n'ai pas su que je modérerais ce forum!
« Reply #88 on: October 30, 2006, 02:31:44 AM »
Good people,
When I suggested a way of dealing with this thread, I had no idea that I would one day be moderating the forum in which it is contained! Oh the poetic justice!
Just two points:

1) Could we just be a bit careful about the subject titles we choose for our posts and their content no matter what language we are speaking?
2) Do you know about the friendly banter on the "Random Postings" thread? It is the longest thread on OCnet and is up to 99 pages. Serb1389 has called dibs on being the first to post on page 100, but perhaps someone may beat him to it.
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« Reply #89 on: October 30, 2006, 02:39:51 AM »
Justinian-  Quoi?? Je m'y perds...

Ozgeorge- Sorry.... :(
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