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EkhristosAnesti
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« on: August 26, 2006, 02:07:39 AM »

I just found by accident a copy of Fr. Shenouda M. Ishak's Liturgical and Ritual Issues and Proposals Concerning the Restoration of Communion; as this book is quite rare to find in translation, I thought I would create this thread for any specific inquiries on the matter to which I may retrieve an official OO answer for from this book. Fr. Shenouda M. Ishak is the Professor of Theology and Biblical Studies at Cairo's Coptic Orthodox Theological Seminary; the proposal is approved of by His Eminence Metropolitan Bishoy, Co-President of the Joint Commission, and was submitted to the Liturgical Sub-Committee of Commission in its meeting at Athens, 15-19th of March, 1995.
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2006, 09:31:57 AM »

Wow! What a find!

Does the volume compare and contrast different sections of the Liturgies most commonly used in the churches and answer the theological questions involved?

How do the anaphora and epiclesis in the Liturgies compare? Are different theological apects emphasised?
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2006, 10:07:00 AM »

EA,
Good find. Maybe you can get permission to internet publish it?

Scan it, send it to me, I'll convert it and make a .pdf. You can edit, perhaps?
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2006, 10:34:57 AM »

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Does the volume compare and contrast different sections of the Liturgies most commonly used in the churches and answer the theological questions involved?

The work primarily focuses on issues of significant difference, and does indeed answer any relevant theological questions when necessary, though it seems more concerned with historical issues (i.e. questions like, "when, where, and why did practice X originate?"). The work is ultimately quite short (just over 100 pages) and so it is not an overly thorough treatment of the issues in question.

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How do the anaphora and epiclesis in the Liturgies compare? Are different theological apects emphasised?

The epiclesis is not even given a mention, so I assume Fr. Ishak found there to be no significant divergence to discuss there. With respect to the anaphora, his observations aren't particularly interesting . He simply notes the great divergence in number and attributed authority, whilst making a brief remark that in spite of those facts, they all appear to be theologically sound.

It's interesting to note however, that this work really highlights the diversity of liturgical practice within the OO Church itself. In contrasting differing liturgical practices, Fr. Ishak often divides his discussion into the categories of: 1) Syrian, 2) Ethiopian, 3) Armenian, 4) Coptic, and 5) Byzantine.

Aristokles,

I will see what I can do. Our Church usually has no problem with uploading anything and everything onto the internet, so hopefully there shouldn't be a problem with pursuing your idea (except that I don't have a scanner, for now at least).
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2006, 05:26:35 PM »

How long is this tome? Photocopy and a long snail mail will work as well.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2006, 05:51:40 PM »

EA,

Thanks for the information! It has only whetted my apetite to learn even more!

If I may be so bold as to suggest something (and place a commercial for another one of my pet projects on this site)...

if you are making a scan of the book, can you send a copy of the scan to this site (or whatever needs to be done to not violate copyright laws) where we can have it included into the contributor's section of OC.net?
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2006, 04:06:09 PM »

Greetings All,

This book can also be found for purchase at orthodoxbookstore.org.  Here is a direct link to the book:  https://www.orthodoxbookstore.org/product.details.aspx?productid=1164

It is 5.99 + shipping and is 104 pages long.

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