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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #810 on: October 28, 2012, 09:15:38 AM »
Is the Hymn Evlogetaria for the Dead available on youtube in Arabic ?

That's not OO hymn, however, here you have it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3JQobAmQE4
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #811 on: October 28, 2012, 03:10:59 PM »
Syriac/Aramaic Music:

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #812 on: October 28, 2012, 04:48:04 PM »
What's that? This thread doesn't have enough tasbeha in Italian? Well, alright then... ;)

(The only fragment of tasbeha I could find in Spanish is way too echoey to follow, but it makes me wonder: Is it possible to buy/download/find an Agpeya in Spanish anywhere? This would be a great help to me, and for all of us living in Latino-majority areas of the world; searching for it online, once I got past the various Spanish translations of ancient pagan/pre-Christian religious texts, the best I've found is a explanation of what it is, but no link to it anywhere in Spanish.)

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #813 on: November 01, 2012, 02:06:14 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUApxecqxa8

The above Palm Sunday hymn has been posted before:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,9840.msg292878/topicseen.html#msg292878

However, rather than a studio recording, this one seems to have been recorded during an actual service.  You can hear the priest hitting the hammer on a piece of wood, which symbolizes someone knocking on the door of heaven.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #814 on: November 07, 2012, 11:16:22 AM »
What's that? This thread doesn't have enough tasbeha in Italian? Well, alright then... ;)

(The only fragment of tasbeha I could find in Spanish is way too echoey to follow, but it makes me wonder: Is it possible to buy/download/find an Agpeya in Spanish anywhere? This would be a great help to me, and for all of us living in Latino-majority areas of the world; searching for it online, once I got past the various Spanish translations of ancient pagan/pre-Christian religious texts, the best I've found is a explanation of what it is, but no link to it anywhere in Spanish.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vepj8NFF5S4&feature=g-all-u - just posted recording of tasbeha in Spanish.
But I can't find anywhere the text translated into Spanish

UPDATE: http://orthodoxbolivia.org/resources/audio/ - there are 2 pieces of tasbeha in Spanish
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #815 on: November 07, 2012, 02:54:58 PM »
Thanks, Dominika. Very interesting. Those are "Tentheeno" and the second hoos, respectively. I'm sure there must be Agpeyas in Spanish for the churches in Bolivia and Mexico, but from speaking to people who have served in the Church in Bolivia, they are rather ad hoc, not anything printed. Maybe someday, as the Church grows throughout the Spanish-speaking world... :)

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #816 on: November 15, 2012, 02:39:02 PM »
From what I understand, HH Pope St. Kyrillos VI adopted this hymn from the Greek Church.  So this would be a very recent addition to the Coptic liturgical hymns.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #817 on: November 18, 2012, 10:40:36 AM »
From what I understand, HH Pope St. Kyrillos VI adopted this hymn from the Greek Church.  So this would be a very recent addition to the Coptic liturgical hymns.

Mina, was it Pope Kyrillos VI or Pope Kyrillos IV (The father of reformation)?
Good question; I was taught the sixth, but I'm not so sure.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #818 on: December 07, 2012, 10:14:08 AM »
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcR1dRVVE-w - the first part is for sure for Kiahk (Advent).
But after the hymn which there are put lyrics (below the video), they sing something different in Arabic and Coptic.

As I can hear, in Arabic it's "allelouia x3 Yassoo-l-Masseh ibnu Allah wolida fee Betheleim" (sorry for bad transcription) what means 'Jesus Christ Son of God is born in Bethelelem" so it's from the refrain of Psalm 150 for Nativity, isn't it?
As for the text which is sung after the frase in Arabic I don't have any idea, but is it also from the Nativity hymn?

And, to make it clear, there are in recording 2 different hymns, one for Advent and one for Nativity?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #819 on: December 07, 2012, 03:15:13 PM »
straight after yasou' al masih (the bit you translated very well! i am impressed with your arabic) they then say the same thing in coptic, then (in coptic) they sing glory (i think) to the Son and His Good Father and to the Holy Spirit, then (i think) now and forever.

please feel free anyone to correct my coptic!

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #820 on: December 09, 2012, 11:33:28 AM »
Thank you mabsoota for the help :) My Arabic is very poor, I hope one day I mage to get into Arabic at university, that I would be able to communicate easily in this so beautiful language ;)

As I love Coptic hymns and songs for Kiahk, because it's full of Advent's (Nativity Fast) spirit, two another recordings with subitles in English and Arabic:
Amdah fee Batoul (Praise the Virgin)


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB0myY0G0KY&feature=g-subs-u
">Aftah faya baltasabeeh (I open my mouth to praise)[/url]



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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #821 on: December 18, 2012, 12:20:03 PM »
Don't know if it has been posted before but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eOePzjT6Pc

Mani dakhwoth (Who is like me?) - Ancient Syriac hymn in honor of Virgin Mary
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #822 on: December 18, 2012, 06:28:10 PM »
Don't know if it has been posted before but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eOePzjT6Pc

Mani dakhwoth (Who is like me?) - Ancient Syriac hymn in honor of Virgin Mary

Suryoyutho, that was beautiful. When is this song usually sung? I've don't think I've heard the Malayalam equivalent before.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #823 on: December 19, 2012, 08:54:48 AM »
Yes, it's awesome. It's a Christmas hymn (http://www.soc-wus.org/christmas%20page.htm , search "dakhwoth"). This particular version is from this album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2whgV8BiLg (starts at around :53).
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #824 on: January 09, 2013, 02:11:34 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPn4nCKTBec

Syriac Orthodox Christmas Hymns "Haw Dmalakhai"

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #825 on: January 10, 2013, 08:47:23 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPn4nCKTBec

Syriac Orthodox Christmas Hymns "Haw Dmalakhai"

As far I know, the hymn varies dependind on the feast, becasue it's a part of an ritual called "Zuhuyo" - lifting of the thing typical for the particular feast e.g a palm for Palm Sunday, water for Epiphany etc.

So I wonder if the hymn you've posted is exactly for Christmas?...
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #826 on: January 10, 2013, 09:23:00 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPn4nCKTBec

Syriac Orthodox Christmas Hymns "Haw Dmalakhai"

As far I know, the hymn varies dependind on the feast, becasue it's a part of an ritual called "Zuhuyo" - lifting of the thing typical for the particular feast e.g a palm for Palm Sunday, water for Epiphany etc.

So I wonder if the hymn you've posted is exactly for Christmas?...

I'm not an expert on Syriac but I think the last line of the first three stanzas is "D'stlebt Metulothan, w'ethraham al'ain", which roughly means "Thou who was Crucified for us, have mercy on us." For Christmas, the practice in our Church is to sing "Thou who was Born/Incarnate for us, have mercy on us." I might be hearing it though. :/

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #827 on: January 19, 2013, 02:25:29 PM »
Maybe that's not exactly proper place, but there is a link for Coptic service of Laquan (blessing of the water) done on this year's Epiphany by the patriarch Tawadros.

In my EO parish the Great Blessing of water, which is done only on Epiphany, lasts 15-20 minutes and in Coptic church it is one and a half hours :o
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #828 on: January 19, 2013, 03:21:44 PM »
Found one for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt2v8YRgmxg

And then on to regular raising of incense and liturgical services:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnG1wxAviEk
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #829 on: January 19, 2013, 03:29:02 PM »
u beat me to it!
i failed to search in arabic.
i hope someone soon will subtitle this, so everyone will benefit.
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yes our service is longer coz we have lots of lovely Bible readings, then the actual blessing of the water, then the dabbing (to symbolise washing) of the feet (of all the men) or wrists (of all the women - due to cultural issues), and then we sing a bit and then people collect the holy water.
anyone who gets there a bit late (eg. me!) can beg a bit of holy water from the person next to them and add it to their bottle.

then, in many churches, we do the epiphany liturgy late at night instead of early in the morning.
so we have a 1.5 hr service followed by a 2.5 hr one!
 :o
i think we're trying to do a longer service than the slavs!

but we don't throw ourselves in freezing cold blessed water in the extreme ascetic slavic practice, so i guess with that, you guys win the 'who is the most ascetic' contest!
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #830 on: January 19, 2013, 04:05:05 PM »
I just did a youtube search on تواضروس and filtered it by only displaying videos posted in the last 24 hours.  :)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #831 on: January 19, 2013, 05:35:23 PM »
Found one for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt2v8YRgmxg

And then on to regular raising of incense and liturgical services:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnG1wxAviEk

Thank you, that's what I was thinking about ;)


yes our service is longer coz we have lots of lovely Bible readings, then the actual blessing of the water, then the dabbing (to symbolise washing) of the feet (of all the men) or wrists (of all the women - due to cultural issues), and then we sing a bit and then people collect the holy water.
anyone who gets there a bit late (eg. me!) can beg a bit of holy water from the person next to them and add it to their bottle.

then, in many churches, we do the epiphany liturgy late at night instead of early in the morning.
so we have a 1.5 hr service followed by a 2.5 hr one!
 :o
i think we're trying to do a longer service than the slavs!

but we don't throw ourselves in freezing cold blessed water in the extreme ascetic slavic practice, so i guess with that, you guys win the 'who is the most ascetic' contest!
 ;)


Well, during the rite of the Great Blessing of the water we have 5 readings and some long prayers, but they're just said by preists, and a few hymns chanted (but you know, in Slavic practice it's done in fast way), and the priest immerse the cross in each basin 3 times, so probably in the content EO version is not so much shorter as Coptic one. And of course I haven't counted the time for collecting it, becasue it depends on the number of people. But there is no tradition of dabbing, washing or something like that ;)

Haha I liked "who is most ascetic conquest" ;D I wish one day I took bath in Jordan water (I mean after the blessing of the river), becasue in Warsaw there is no any possibility to do it :(

But I have to admit, that although Divine Liturgy with the Great blessing of the water lasts about 2.5 hour, in evening before (of course in Slavic practice, in Greek it's done in the morning on the day of Epiphany) we have All-Night Vigil which lasts 2 hours (in some parishes 30 minutes or even 1 hour more) ;)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #832 on: January 20, 2013, 08:02:51 PM »
Thank you mabsoota for the help :) My Arabic is very poor, I hope one day I mage to get into Arabic at university, that I would be able to communicate easily in this so beautiful language ;)

As I love Coptic hymns and songs for Kiahk, because it's full of Advent's (Nativity Fast) spirit, two another recordings with subitles in English and Arabic:
Amdah fee Batoul (Praise the Virgin)


<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB0myY0G0KY&feature=g-subs-u
">Aftah faya baltasabeeh (I open my mouth to praise)[/url]





Beautiful Dominika, I too love them , listen to them often, they truly are beautiful :)  thank you dear.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #833 on: January 28, 2013, 05:58:50 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUhGiqqNxw

A good video of the Hoothomo (Concluding Prayer) and the Final Benediction of an Indian Orthodox Liturgy.

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« Reply #834 on: January 29, 2013, 12:35:23 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUhGiqqNxw

A good video of the Hoothomo (Concluding Prayer) and the Final Benediction of an Indian Orthodox Liturgy.
wonderful! thank you Sheenj!
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #835 on: January 30, 2013, 09:30:40 AM »
A blog with Armenian Orthodox hymns - sharakans. The lyrics are only in Armenian, but due to Google Translator you find otu at least of which feast is the hymn. All of the hymns are links to youtube.


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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #836 on: February 05, 2013, 11:32:30 PM »
Earlier, I mentioned a group, "CoptAcapella", of which my cousin is part of.  This is a website with lyrics and the production of songs they have made thus far.  These aren't liturgical in nature, just spiritual songs, which do come for the most part from the Coptic Church in the Arabic spiritual musical, more so than Coptic, translated into English.

Enjoy!

http://coptacapella.com/?cat=10
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #837 on: February 27, 2013, 03:43:46 PM »
Wow, this is beautiful.

Best Ethiopian Orthodox Mezmur by Zemari Mirtnesh Tilahun (Mar Mar alew)
http://youtu.be/b_ahmrW09go
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #838 on: February 27, 2013, 04:26:00 PM »
Zemarit Mirtinesh is my favorite, too. :) Though I have not heard so much with her that also has krar so prominently featured. It's kind of nice, I think, even though I get the sense that this instrument is not among the most liked for mezmur (maybe it's too closely associated with secular music; I don't know). Usually it's buried a bit more, like in this lovely mezmur by Zerfe Kebede (if it's even in there...I might be hearing things).

Yes, our Ethiopian brothers and sisters are blessed to have such heavenly music as part of their tradition. If I'm going to listen to paraliturgical music, I prefer Tewahedo mezmur to Coptic (well, Arabic) taraneem. Nothing against my own church, of course, it's just...well, you've heard Zemarit Mirtinesh!  ;D

Of course, there is some very powerful taraneem by Coptic ladies, too (don't much care for the likes of Ibrahim Ayad and Co. in this department, myself; sorry, dudes. Boles Malak is a little less annoying, I guess). It's just a different animal, I suppose.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #839 on: February 27, 2013, 04:36:20 PM »
I posted this hymn before I think but this is different singer(s):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In6wRB7qn3Y

Gudo d'Mor Afrem - Malacho Men Selyo

The words are sung very clearly.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #840 on: March 24, 2013, 05:56:47 PM »
http://youtu.be/eoYqSvcCZQY

I found this great recording of the last portion of the Shubkono (Forgiveness?) Service done during the beginning of Lent. This was recorded a couple years ago at the Orthodox Theological Seminary in Kottayam, India.

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« Reply #841 on: March 24, 2013, 06:16:37 PM »
http://youtu.be/eoYqSvcCZQY

I found this great recording of the last portion of the Shubkono (Forgiveness?) Service done during the beginning of Lent. This was recorded a couple years ago at the Orthodox Theological Seminary in Kottayam, India.

^^Great :angel: It's very similar to the rite of the forgiveness done in EO churches also for the beginning of the Great Lent.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #842 on: April 28, 2013, 07:00:35 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiGS7b-Sp5w - I think it hasn't been posted. One of Malankara Orthodox hymns for Palm Sunday in an arragment that reminds me Bollywood ;)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #843 on: April 28, 2013, 10:15:16 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiGS7b-Sp5w - I think it hasn't been posted. One of Malankara Orthodox hymns for Palm Sunday in an arragment that reminds me Bollywood ;)

Actually in the above youtube video, it is sung by a Bollywood singer.  The proper arrangement of this hymn sounds more like the following:
http://tinyurl.com/c6memy2
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #844 on: April 28, 2013, 03:55:42 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPn4nCKTBec

Syriac Orthodox Christmas Hymns "Haw Dmalakhai"

As far I know, the hymn varies dependind on the feast, becasue it's a part of an ritual called "Zuhuyo" - lifting of the thing typical for the particular feast e.g a palm for Palm Sunday, water for Epiphany etc.

So I wonder if the hymn you've posted is exactly for Christmas?...

Here's a video of the actual Zuyoho service done in Malayalam. This was the Holy Friday Zuyoho, where the cross is clothed in white to represent the Lord's burial shrouds.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #845 on: May 12, 2013, 04:46:45 PM »
This is an English Coptic spiritual song taken from the Arabic Coptic Spiritual song.  The music is the same, the words however are completely different.  Someone very recently created a very different group of lyrics with the same music and same resurrection theme.  In English, the chorus starts with "Resurrection is my song, Resurrection gives me life" but in Arabic, the chorus starts "Inta dost el mawta wahdack, ya Yasou el Nasiree" (You trampled death alone, oh Jesus of Nazereth)

Here's a Coptacapella "remix" of the English:
http://coptacapella.com/?p=356#t=00:00

Here's the original Arabic version (and the way we chant it in Church, even in Liturgy):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruOJIUko6Ss

This is an interesting Arabic "remix" that I stumbled upon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFjSpHh_qA

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #846 on: May 12, 2013, 04:59:35 PM »
aah, i love this one so much...
we didn't sing it yet this year, will have to make a special request in church
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and i agree the translation doesn't quite do it justice, but as i can't come up with a better translation, i should not comment!

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #847 on: May 13, 2013, 08:35:47 AM »
Actually this melody is very well known from Middle East to Balkans (including Serbia ;)). And every nation claims its own original melody ;) There is even a movie about it "Whose is this melody?" (I don't know if it's the exact name of this film in English). For example:

Jordi Savall or something Muslim

Anyway, I really like this Coptic song about Resurrection, and the last version (although I'm quite traditional regarding Church music) is so great! :D True spirit of paschal happiness
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #848 on: May 13, 2013, 10:40:13 AM »
Hmm. And the same melody reappears for other English texts of the Church, like "Very Early Sunday Morning", which shares the same chorus as the English version posted by Mina (which I'd never heard before; very interesting), but has obviously different verses. I've also heard the same melody sung in very different contexts by both Syriac and Arab Iraqis...

Anyway...paging Hiwot, Ergib, or any other Tewahedo members we might have left: Gurage Muslim superstar Mahmoud Ahmed apparently sings Tewahedo mezmur now? Just what is going on here? :o Is it common for Muslims to sing Orthodox mezmur? I wouldn't think so...the closest I've ever seen from Egypt is when Abdel Halim Hafez sang "El Masih", which is obviously much more of a political song than a religious one. And I seem to remember when the film "Hassan w Marqos" came out a few years ago, there was controversy and some people accused its star Adel Imam of converting to Christianity (and/or promoting conversion to it) just for acting in the role of a Coptic priest in a movie that was meant to reduce tensions between Copts and Muslims. So when I see/hear things like the above videos...wow...Ethiopia is blessed! :)

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #849 on: May 16, 2013, 09:33:19 AM »
Actually this melody is very well known from Middle East to Balkans (including Serbia ;)). And every nation claims its own original melody ;) There is even a movie about it "Whose is this melody?" (I don't know if it's the exact name of this film in English). For example:

Jordi Savall or something Muslim

Anyway, I really like this Coptic song about Resurrection, and the last version (although I'm quite traditional regarding Church music) is so great! :D True spirit of paschal happiness
Wow...very interesting!  Curious now to think the origins of the melody...hmmmm
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #850 on: May 24, 2013, 11:50:11 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJpNiHAKonU - this year Paschal (Easter) Liturgy with the Coptic pope Tawadrous II. Very nice chanting. Especially these hitenis (~27 min) I find very powerful (expressive).
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #851 on: June 06, 2013, 02:33:33 PM »
Some Ethiopian hymns for Pascha (Easter) :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c5nvXzjudI (that's something that I almost do during the Paschal service, however in European culture it would considered as strange behaviour ;))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux-ztnRewEM
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #852 on: June 10, 2013, 01:47:53 AM »
This is an Armenian hymn asking God to grant long life to the Catholicos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v23H5n9ditU

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #853 on: June 15, 2013, 12:50:01 PM »
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Dzheremi,

He converted to Christianity a few years ago. A sensation at the time. God willing when I get the time I will try to translate that mezmur he is singing.

Beautiful hymns everyone. Thank you for sharing. :)



 
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #854 on: June 15, 2013, 02:09:37 PM »