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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #990 on: March 25, 2017, 02:06:59 PM »
English rendering of the Coptic hymn of "Omonogenes" by a chanter named Paul Mankarious, a hymn chanted in Good Friday services (this hymn is disputed to be either written by Emperor Justinian or St. Severus of Antioch)

https://soundcloud.com/anthony-mankarious/o-only-begotten-son-paul
lyrics
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #992 on: April 08, 2017, 02:38:49 PM »
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I wish I had such worship at my parish;D
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #993 on: April 24, 2017, 05:49:39 PM »
Coptic Christian Night Mass in Egypt زيدوا المسيح تسبيح من ليلة الصلاة والرجوع إلى الله
At minute mark 3:20 and 4:03 it looks like it's at a famous Cave Church and is led by a priest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnXJ7IWH3PU

Maybe someone recognizes the song?
It sounds very different than Orthodox styles I have heard.

I am not sure, is this like Middle Eastern Christian folk melodies with instrumental accompaniment, or is it very Western influenced:
Beautiful Arabic Christian Song @ Cave Church , Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjEehbjbIAY
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #994 on: April 24, 2017, 06:16:28 PM »
Maybe someone recognizes the song?
It sounds very different than Orthodox styles I have heard.

I am not sure, is this like Middle Eastern Christian folk melodies with instrumental accompaniment, or is it very Western influenced:
Beautiful Arabic Christian Song @ Cave Church , Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjEehbjbIAY

It's definitely a paraliturgical song. And with an error in writing (at least in standard Arabic), as it should be معنا not معانا ("with us").
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #995 on: April 24, 2017, 06:39:03 PM »
Coptic Christian Night Mass in Egypt زيدوا المسيح تسبيح من ليلة الصلاة والرجوع إلى الله
At minute mark 3:20 and 4:03 it looks like it's at a famous Cave Church and is led by a priest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnXJ7IWH3PU

Maybe someone recognizes the song?
It sounds very different than Orthodox styles I have heard.

I am not sure, is this like Middle Eastern Christian folk melodies with instrumental accompaniment, or is it very Western influenced:
Beautiful Arabic Christian Song @ Cave Church , Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjEehbjbIAY

This was a Protestant concert gathering.  The Coptic priest responsible for this was deposed and if I'm not mistaken eventually excommunicated from the Church.

His Grace Bishop Abanoub took over the cave church of St. Simeon the cobbler and restored its Orthodoxy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iL6leWgcixE
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #996 on: April 24, 2017, 06:48:25 PM »


This was a Protestant concert gathering.  The Coptic priest responsible for this was deposed and if I'm not mistaken eventually excommunicated from the Church.

His Grace Bishop Abanoub took over the cave church to St. Simeon the cobbler and restored its Orthodoxy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iL6leWgcixE
Good info, thanks for sharing.
It sounds like somehow it got into the hands of a pro-Protestant priest and he set up bleachers outside for Gospel Music concerts?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #997 on: April 24, 2017, 06:49:45 PM »
Yes; he's no longer in the Church and these events no longer occur; he took advantage of the situation when we were transitioning between Popes.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #998 on: April 24, 2017, 06:57:39 PM »
Coptic Christian Night Mass in Egypt زيدوا المسيح تسبيح من ليلة الصلاة والرجوع إلى الله
At minute mark 3:20 and 4:03 it looks like it's at a famous Cave Church and is led by a priest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnXJ7IWH3PU

Maybe someone recognizes the song?
It sounds very different than Orthodox styles I have heard.

I am not sure, is this like Middle Eastern Christian folk melodies with instrumental accompaniment, or is it very Western influenced:
Beautiful Arabic Christian Song @ Cave Church , Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjEehbjbIAY

Disgusting.  But sadly, I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone posted a video of Copts singing Protestant songs in the "Oriental Orthodox Music" thread.  Protestant songs are not Oriental Orthodox music no matter who is leading the people in singing them, even if they have on a black galabeya.

Yes; he's no longer in the Church and these events no longer occur; he took advantage of the situation when we were transitioning between Popes.

Glory to God.  I fervently pray that all "pro-Protestant priests" - as rakovsky terms them - in the Coptic Orthodox Church either repent and return to Orthodoxy or are likewise censured.  The spread of this poison must stop.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1000 on: August 22, 2017, 10:19:27 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEUtdDMQV9o

I found some interesting armenian sacred chants.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1001 on: August 22, 2017, 10:39:09 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewBUoLiBpdY


I found this video about the armenian rite of the Eucharist. Looks quite similar too tridentine rite in some parts, do the armenians use wine and bread?

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1002 on: August 22, 2017, 10:53:51 PM »
do the armenians use wine and bread?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1003 on: August 23, 2017, 12:47:06 AM »
English rendering of the Coptic hymn of "Omonogenes" by a chanter named Paul Mankarious, a hymn chanted in Good Friday services (this hymn is disputed to be either written by Emperor Justinian or St. Severus of Antioch)

https://soundcloud.com/anthony-mankarious/o-only-begotten-son-paul
lyrics

So only Alpha60 calls him St. Justinian?
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1004 on: August 23, 2017, 09:21:19 AM »
English rendering of the Coptic hymn of "Omonogenes" by a chanter named Paul Mankarious, a hymn chanted in Good Friday services (this hymn is disputed to be either written by Emperor Justinian or St. Severus of Antioch)

https://soundcloud.com/anthony-mankarious/o-only-begotten-son-paul
lyrics

So only Alpha60 calls him St. Justinian?

He was a persecutor of the anti-Chalcedonian movement. His wife on the other hand was one of their greatest champions.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1005 on: August 23, 2017, 09:39:58 AM »
English rendering of the Coptic hymn of "Omonogenes" by a chanter named Paul Mankarious, a hymn chanted in Good Friday services (this hymn is disputed to be either written by Emperor Justinian or St. Severus of Antioch)

https://soundcloud.com/anthony-mankarious/o-only-begotten-son-paul
lyrics

So only Alpha60 calls him St. Justinian?

He was a persecutor of the anti-Chalcedonian movement. His wife on the other hand was one of their greatest champions.

Yeah, I have no problem with their womenfolk. 
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« Reply #1006 on: August 23, 2017, 11:15:05 AM »
English rendering of the Coptic hymn of "Omonogenes" by a chanter named Paul Mankarious, a hymn chanted in Good Friday services (this hymn is disputed to be either written by Emperor Justinian or St. Severus of Antioch)

https://soundcloud.com/anthony-mankarious/o-only-begotten-son-paul
lyrics

So only Alpha60 calls him St. Justinian?

He was a persecutor of the anti-Chalcedonian movement. His wife on the other hand was one of their greatest champions.

Yes I know. I'm really just tweaking Alpha again for calling him Saint.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1007 on: September 26, 2017, 11:39:23 AM »
Just beautiful!

"His Holiness Moran Mar Baselios Marthoma Paulos II rejoices as members of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church sing Hymns from the Prayers of Sh'himo in Malayalam"

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1008 on: September 26, 2017, 11:49:11 AM »
Just beautiful!

"His Holiness Moran Mar Baselios Marthoma Paulos II rejoices as members of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church sing Hymns from the Prayers of Sh'himo in Malayalam"

https://www.facebook.com/876941899025885/videos/1482525275134208/?hc_ref=ARRFPX9dlE_ZpGM-47cFytYPd7Wy6cUBcCY8FGJFGyjh21Np2GPA3ZJIYCVt7pU6EnI

They did exceptionally well.  My mom wept upon seeing the video. 
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« Reply #1009 on: September 26, 2017, 07:42:56 PM »
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« Reply #1010 on: September 26, 2017, 09:16:56 PM »
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« Reply #1011 on: September 27, 2017, 07:35:16 AM »
Just beautiful!

"His Holiness Moran Mar Baselios Marthoma Paulos II rejoices as members of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church sing Hymns from the Prayers of Sh'himo in Malayalam"

https://www.facebook.com/876941899025885/videos/1482525275134208/?hc_ref=ARRFPX9dlE_ZpGM-47cFytYPd7Wy6cUBcCY8FGJFGyjh21Np2GPA3ZJIYCVt7pU6EnI

Amazing!
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« Reply #1012 on: September 27, 2017, 09:08:21 AM »
Just beautiful!

"His Holiness Moran Mar Baselios Marthoma Paulos II rejoices as members of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church sing Hymns from the Prayers of Sh'himo in Malayalam"

https://www.facebook.com/876941899025885/videos/1482525275134208/?hc_ref=ARRFPX9dlE_ZpGM-47cFytYPd7Wy6cUBcCY8FGJFGyjh21Np2GPA3ZJIYCVt7pU6EnI

Very nice.  My prayer is that this will enkindle a desire within the heart of His Holiness to do away with keyboards in the Indian Orthodox Church. ;)
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« Reply #1014 on: September 27, 2017, 10:52:25 PM »
Just beautiful!

"His Holiness Moran Mar Baselios Marthoma Paulos II rejoices as members of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church sing Hymns from the Prayers of Sh'himo in Malayalam"

https://www.facebook.com/876941899025885/videos/1482525275134208/?hc_ref=ARRFPX9dlE_ZpGM-47cFytYPd7Wy6cUBcCY8FGJFGyjh21Np2GPA3ZJIYCVt7pU6EnI

Very nice.  My prayer is that this will enkindle a desire within the heart of His Holiness to do away with keyboards in the Indian Orthodox Church. ;)

The best part of St. Ephrems Cathedral and my current parish is no keyboard.

I am of the opinion however that keyboards are already uncaonical; the 1920 Patriarchal decision authorizing organs implied pipe ortans, and says nothing about electronic musical synthesizers.  That said, I can't think of a good use for pipe organs either in our chant; the only Orthodox music that uses it in a way I like is the polyphonic Greek Orthodox music of Tikey Zes, which I get a lot of flak for, but I love his work.  So if a total ban on organs was needed to rid us from the keyboard, I couldn't possibly object, since we've in nearly a century failed to do anything with the organs other than massacre the Qurbana.  If some Syriac composer had composed a series of grand epilogues to be played after the hymn Haw Nurone, when communion is taking longer than usual to distribute, some epic work on the level of Bach that would flow naturally from Haw Nurone and enliven an otherwise prologued silence, which exists because we either lack or do not use a rich repetoire of communion hymns such as those of the Coptic Church (at my old parish of St, Michaels, with just one Abuna, communion took 45 minutes, but the Psaltis had enough material after Psalm 150 to sing the entire time), that would be another matter. 

Instead we have idiotic people accompanying the naturally a capella chant with squishy sounds, the "marimba" setting on the keyboard, and all sorts of other cacaphonies you can summon thanks to the devilish fruits of the Yamaha company.  I loathe keyboards in churhc and everything they stand for.

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As an aside, my great grandmother left an endowment to the UMC parish I attended in my youth to be used to purchase a pipe organ.  Instead, they bought a Clavinova, which sounded like trash from day one, and spent the rest replacing the flooring and installing a stage in the parish hall, which was never once used, ever.  Then, they got rid of the keyboard and switched to the drums and electronic guitar, going full wannabe rock band.  The nadir was a midsummer service with a surfboard on the altar and the cobbled together copyright-infringeing trainwreck of "Worship USA" to the tune of the Beach Boys sound.   I tried to escape by going to a service with traditional hymns, but the minister turned out to be an Arian homosexual; then I tried an episcopal parish with a traditionalist priest and a said service, but their "eucharist" made me sick, and then I became Syriac Orthodox after visiting the various members of the Antiochene family of churches.  Although for a while I attended a Coptic parish, and before that, what I thought was a ROCOR parish, which were closer to my old house, but I fled that parish for the Coptic parish when I discovered they were ... non-canonical extremists.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1015 on: September 27, 2017, 11:01:45 PM »
English rendering of the Coptic hymn of "Omonogenes" by a chanter named Paul Mankarious, a hymn chanted in Good Friday services (this hymn is disputed to be either written by Emperor Justinian or St. Severus of Antioch)

https://soundcloud.com/anthony-mankarious/o-only-begotten-son-paul
lyrics

So only Alpha60 calls him St. Justinian?

He was a persecutor of the anti-Chalcedonian movement. His wife on the other hand was one of their greatest champions.

Yes I know. I'm really just tweaking Alpha again for calling him Saint.

I call him Saint because he took our hymn, Ho Monoges, and inserted it into the EO liturgy.  I believe that that hymn excludes crypto-Nestorianism and Docetism in the same way the Nicene creed rules oit Gnosticism, Macedonianism, Apollinarianism, Chiliasm, etc...  it is a creedal hymn of vital importance. 

That some EOs think St. Justinian wrote it rather than St. Severus is annoying, but what can you do.  His insertion was part of several "carrots" he offered the OO to end the schism, which also included the Three Chapters, but the problem with him was the "sticks" that he applied mercilessly to us when that failed to do the trick.  St. Theodora protected St. Jacob Bar Addai, who performed hundreds of emergency ordinations, creating a massive hierarchy that was too big to kill off, and the real micracle was this sprawling hierarchy was able to come together and function in four churches.  Truly we were God protected.

But for me, Ho Monoges is as much a test of Orthodoxy as the Creed, and since Justinian inserted it, I venerate him, placing him in the same category as St. Theodosius.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #1016 on: November 09, 2017, 10:47:36 PM »
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