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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #945 on: May 13, 2015, 08:00:46 AM »
Because there's no such thing as a jenkim in Greek.  That's the way it is supposed to be pronounced.  Same thing at the very beginning.  There is no "eXristos", it's just "Xristos".
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #946 on: May 15, 2015, 10:39:56 PM »
"Der Voghormya" (Lord have mercy) sung on April 24 at the ruins of an Armenian church in Diyarbakir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvVbkZqVVwo

Diyarbakir used to be called Dikranagert, and it's where my grandmother's family came from.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #947 on: July 07, 2015, 06:57:01 PM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #948 on: July 07, 2015, 07:01:43 PM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #949 on: August 14, 2015, 02:00:59 PM »
Chant by the cantors of St. George Coptic Church, accompanied by icons from the parish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnXK9dVH58
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #950 on: August 14, 2015, 03:31:32 PM »
Chant by the cantors of St. George Coptic Church, accompanied by icons from the parish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnXK9dVH58

That's really good! :)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #951 on: October 12, 2015, 11:36:21 AM »
It's a little early for Christmas, but I really enjoyed this site:

http://syrianorthodoxchurch.com/pastor/SYRIAC_C/syriac_c.htm
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #952 on: October 12, 2015, 12:13:20 PM »
It's a little early for Christmas, but I really enjoyed this site:

http://syrianorthodoxchurch.com/pastor/SYRIAC_C/syriac_c.htm

He really is wonderful.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #953 on: November 25, 2015, 03:56:16 PM »
Coptic Kiahk chant "Ya Maryam" in Arabic by Fairuz :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBapI67BUEA
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #954 on: November 25, 2015, 03:58:58 PM »
If Fairuz would chant all the Coptic hymns, at least those in Kiahk (Advent month), I would be the happiest man!
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #955 on: January 06, 2016, 06:48:24 PM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #956 on: January 22, 2016, 05:42:40 PM »
I like this ethiopian music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NgZLtJ4WEE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

You may find a lot justly on youtube (Mirtnesh like singeress)

Also i like few songs by Marie Keyrouz (maronitian)

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #957 on: February 08, 2016, 07:25:50 PM »
For something a little different...

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #958 on: February 08, 2016, 07:46:55 PM »
Memra up son!
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #959 on: February 08, 2016, 09:32:20 PM »
"May the Lord our God remember in His kingdom all Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which heralds the Word of Truth and fearlessly offers and distributes the Holy Oblation despite human deficiencies and persecutions moved by the powers of this world, in all time and unto the ages of ages."

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #960 on: February 09, 2016, 08:44:03 AM »
Chant by the cantors of St. George Coptic Church, accompanied by icons from the parish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghnXK9dVH58

I like the iconography.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #961 on: March 12, 2016, 01:08:42 PM »
Tasbeha - Theotokia Part 7 - Hail to you Mary

I don't recall having heard the Theotokos being compared to a dove before.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #962 on: March 12, 2016, 05:53:37 PM »
Tasbeha - Theotokia Part 7 - Hail to you Mary

I don't recall having heard the Theotokos being compared to a dove before.

It's not new. It's in the Great Lent praises to the Thetokos
http://lent.goarch.org/prayers/akathist.asp
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And in (at least) a few other places.
I remember this comparision also exists in Polish Catholic songs.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #963 on: March 12, 2016, 06:51:41 PM »
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The Beautiful Dove – The title is in remembrance of the beautiful dove that carried to our father Noah a branch of an olive tree, as a symbol of peace, bringing to him the good news of the deliverance from the waters of the flood (Genesis 8:11). With this title, the priest burns incense in front of her icon when he goes out of the sanctuary and says: “Hail to you, O Virgin Mary, the beautiful dove”. In the Praxis response, the deacons chant in Coptic “Hail to you, Mary, the fair dove, who bore to us God the Logos.” Saint Mary is compared to the dove in her simplicity and purity, and the action of the Holy Spirit in her. She resembles the dove which brought the good news of the deliverance after the flood, because she brought the good news of our deliverance (salvation) in Christ.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #965 on: March 13, 2016, 05:31:21 PM »
Have any of you heard of the special Ethiopian Church musicians called the Debtera, and what do you think about them?

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A debtera... is an itinerant religious figure...  in the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Churches, who sings hymns and dances for churchgoers, and who performs exorcisms and white magic to aid the congregation. ...They may in fact be officially ordained as deacons, or may act outside the Church hierarchy. They are usually feared by the local population, who often mistake them for madmen.


Performing debteras

Kahens and debteras are two separate professions,[1] though it is possible to pursue both roles.[13] The Ethiopian Church sees the division as following the model used by the ancient Israelites.[14]

During Lenten services, debteras tap prayer sticks to keep the rhythm. The Ethiopian Church condones the performances of debteras, citing the story in 2 Kings of King David dancing at the temple and Psalm 47:1 ("clap your hands") for Biblical examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debtera#Among_Christians
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #966 on: April 09, 2016, 07:13:47 AM »
http://www.predanie.ru/ghada-shbeyr-ghada-shbeir/siriyskie-pesnopeniya/#/description

At least some of these chants are for Nativty, but franly speaking don't know, if all of them
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #967 on: April 10, 2016, 10:57:38 AM »
It's Assyrian, but I like the melody, the text is interesting too; is there in Syriac Western tradition similar hymn in content?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFfngTKD_U8
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #968 on: April 19, 2016, 04:01:27 PM »
"harpa dei" singing the Syriac Orthodox melody to "Our Father" at the Valaam Monastery

https://www.facebook.com/100008883278483/videos/1455212661451496/
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #969 on: April 24, 2016, 09:01:47 AM »
I know it's EO hymn of the Holy Week, however, I've read it's Armenian (or Armenian-based) melody:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1lZppmLkRs
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« Reply #970 on: April 24, 2016, 11:09:15 AM »
Yes, that's the melody for an Armenian hymn sung on Holy Thursday evening, "Where Are You, My Mother."

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #971 on: April 24, 2016, 05:11:58 PM »
Yes, that's the melody for an Armenian hymn sung on Holy Thursday evening, "Where Are You, My Mother."
Thank for the info. I like hymn "Where Are You, My Mother." but couldn't associate the hymn from the link with this melody ;)
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #972 on: June 30, 2016, 05:42:16 PM »
If you ever wanted to find out what the Coptic hymn for deification (known as the Friday Theotokia) sounds like:

http://tasbeha.org/hymn_library/view/146?mid=10992

This next one is done with a Coptic "Sahidic" accent, by Deacon Antonios Shenoudian, (along with alternating English) who is an expert in the Sahidic form of Coptic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWq_rHMrTFk

Listen to the chorus of both those links and you'll recognize the difference.

Here's a contemplation of the hymn:

http://www.copticheritage.org/contemplations/3_annual_weekday_praise/the_friday_theotokia
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #973 on: June 30, 2016, 05:54:28 PM »
If you ever wanted to find out what the Coptic hymn for deification (known as the Friday Theotokia) sounds like:

http://tasbeha.org/hymn_library/view/146?mid=10992

This next one is done with a Coptic "Sahidic" accent, by Deacon Antonios Shenoudian, (along with alternating English) who is an expert in the Sahidic form of Coptic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWq_rHMrTFk

Listen to the chorus of both those links and you'll recognize the difference.

Here's a contemplation of the hymn:

http://www.copticheritage.org/contemplations/3_annual_weekday_praise/the_friday_theotokia

They are all great!!! I so love Marian hymns. Blessed are you Most Holy Theotokos!
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #974 on: June 30, 2016, 06:08:37 PM »

This next one is done with a Coptic "Sahidic" accent, by Deacon Antonios Shenoudian, (along with alternating English) who is an expert in the Sahidic form of Coptic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWq_rHMrTFk
Very, very beautiful :) Melody, chant and the text.
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #975 on: June 30, 2016, 06:13:54 PM »
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The Beautiful Dove – The title is in remembrance of the beautiful dove that carried to our father Noah a branch of an olive tree, as a symbol of peace, bringing to him the good news of the deliverance from the waters of the flood (Genesis 8:11). With this title, the priest burns incense in front of her icon when he goes out of the sanctuary and says: “Hail to you, O Virgin Mary, the beautiful dove”. In the Praxis response, the deacons chant in Coptic “Hail to you, Mary, the fair dove, who bore to us God the Logos.” Saint Mary is compared to the dove in her simplicity and purity, and the action of the Holy Spirit in her. She resembles the dove which brought the good news of the deliverance after the flood, because she brought the good news of our deliverance (salvation) in Christ.

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And I was curious why we call her dove! Nice!!!
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #976 on: July 01, 2016, 07:34:13 AM »
I like the coptic hymns Aripsalin and Je nai nan.

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #977 on: September 27, 2016, 06:00:37 PM »
Not Oriental, but we can't forget about Syriac Orthodoxy in India ;) (and our dear forumer ;) )

Assyrian Church Hymn of St Thomas Arrival in India
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #978 on: September 29, 2016, 10:28:40 AM »
Not Oriental, but we can't forget about Syriac Orthodoxy in India ;) (and our dear forumer ;) )

Assyrian Church Hymn of St Thomas Arrival in India

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« Reply #979 on: September 30, 2016, 03:24:12 AM »
Hello, I'm new here and I just wanted to ask if it would be appropriate to make a request for someone to identify what's in a recording here?

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« Reply #980 on: September 30, 2016, 06:30:40 AM »
Hello, I'm new here and I just wanted to ask if it would be appropriate to make a request for someone to identify what's in a recording here?
Sure :) Go on.
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« Reply #981 on: September 30, 2016, 06:38:45 AM »
Thank you :)

Can anyone provide me with the text for the last 15 minutes of the below recording. I would really appreciate if it also included the things the chanter says aswell as what the metropolitan is saying. I heard that this could be some thing exclusive to the Coptic liturgy of st Gregory that has been replaced with the appropriate parts from st basils.
https://soundcloud.com/mona-maxwell/b-1
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #983 on: January 09, 2017, 04:22:03 PM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #986 on: February 08, 2017, 05:27:51 PM »
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #987 on: February 18, 2017, 07:03:33 PM »
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Saint Yared Choir, Debtera from Ethiopia, Live in Cologne, Sacred Music, Liturgy, Part I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42eOOTMIdbQ
I shall make the sign of the cross... Even if I fall down, I will rise up in the sign of the cross.
^Nice statement.

Listening to the singing now.

I liked part III more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHu9kaeomgM
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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #988 on: March 25, 2017, 01:25:56 PM »
Thank you :)

Can anyone provide me with the text for the last 15 minutes of the below recording. I would really appreciate if it also included the things the chanter says aswell as what the metropolitan is saying. I heard that this could be some thing exclusive to the Coptic liturgy of st Gregory that has been replaced with the appropriate parts from st basils.
https://soundcloud.com/mona-maxwell/b-1

Sorry for the late response.  But I got a chance to finally sit down and just listen to this old and interesting recording.

This is a very peculiar liturgy because instruments were used apparently.  This is a recording of a Nativity liturgy lead by Metropolitan Thomas of Gharbia, Kafr el Sheikh, and el Beheira (all three now are separate dioceses) who according to a website "Copts United" in Arabic (a friend pretty much read to me his story), died in 1956.  The story about him is all from that same website.

The interesting story about him is that he was a night club musician before he was attracted by the Church hymns and became more religious.  His religiosity even lead him to take his vows as a monk in the Baramous Monastery as well as receive good theological training.  He was well known for his musical prowess and voice (as you can tell from the liturgical recording, almost as if attending a somewhat orchestrated concerto), as well as his diplomacy in relationships with the Egyptian government.  He was the secretary of the Holy Synod under Pope Yousab and convened the synod which deposed Pope Yousab from his papal duties in 1956.

Apparently evident in the liturgical recording, he brought instruments into festal liturgies (liturgies on special occasions, like the Nativity in this recording), something that is frowned upon by the Coptic Church in general in any liturgy today.

The cause of his death is a tragic train accident, him with another Coptic bishop in 1956 on their way to solidify their opposition to Pope Yousab. 

There is a Nativity liturgy of him (I think the same one, but begins earlier than the soundtube one) on youtube, and the youtube title claims the liturgy to be in 1958, which I think was made in error.  Anyway, the recording you have here:

The first ten minutes or so are Basilian.  After they chant "Have mercy" (single chanter, then music, then choir), Metropolitan Thomas chants from "The Litany of the Waters, The Plants, etc." all the way to the end of the Commemoration of the Saints (pp 102-107; the Diptych is skipped, which usually is only chanted if a recent clerical departure occurred) and then the first pre-Fraction prayer (Those O Lord whose souls... pp 109-110). 

Then it skips the congregational response and jumps to the Gregorian pre-Fraction prayers at around 10:50 where he says "Peace be with all" (p 88) and then skips to "O He who blessed" (p 90) until p 92.

Then at 18:00 the General Fraction of the Feasts is said, "We praise, we glorify the God of gods..." (Basil pdf pp 144-145; every one or two paragraphs the chanter/choir says "Lord have mercy" three times) until around the 27th minute saying the Lord's prayer (Basil pdf p 115), then the prayers before the Confession begin at the 30th minute (pp 122-123 "The Holies are for the Holy"). 

Then after the triple affirmation that this is the body and blood of Christ, the chanter says AGAIN "One is the Holy Father, One is the Holy Son, One is the Holy Spirit. Amen!" (p. 122) at around the middle of the 32nd minute, leading to the Metropolitan to do the third affirmation AGAIN, but this time in Arabic instead of the Greek.  The chanter responds not "Amen. We believe" as we usually do, but rather, "We believe in His??? Body and also we believe in His??? Blood which ??????? our sins.  Truly, we believe!" I couldn't tell what he was saying either because of the recording or the Metropolitan praying loudly into the microphone the Confession in Coptic (pp 124-125), but in other words, it's a non-conventional response no one in the Coptic Church uses today.

Finally around the middle of the 34th minute, the Metropolitan ends the Confession "I believe, I believe, I believe that this is so in truth. Amen."  The altar deacon response to the confession (p 125) is chanted but is cut off in the middle of the 35th minute by the congregation chant "Glory to You, O Lord, glory to You".

Then Psalm 150 began to be chanted with "Alleluia!  Alleluia!  Alleluia!  Alleluia!" but is interrupted suddenly by the congregation exclaiming "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!" (usually that means the clergy is now coming out with the Body and/or Blood of Christ), then some commentator and the audio cuts off around the 36th minute.

This isn't recorded, but for the sake of curiosity, in the Nativity, every verse of Psalm 150 we chant the refrain "Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was born in Bethlehem!"

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Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #989 on: March 25, 2017, 01:45:15 PM »
For an English recording of the Fraction Prayer for Feasts in general (with the Basilian pre-Fraction prayers, not Gregorian), here is one by Fr. John Ibrahim serving in Jersey City, NJ:

https://soundcloud.com/kyrillos-attaalla/fraction-of-the-feasts-of-our-lord-fr-john-ibrahim

To hear the Gregorian pre-Fraction prayers in English (Nativity Liturgy), Fr. Antonious Tanious of Hillsborough, NJ does a superb job here (begins at 1:12:59):

https://soundcloud.com/miriam-tawadros/st-gregory-liturgy-in-english-by-fr-antonious-tanious

With the exception of this one part in Coptic, which is translated:

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Priest:
Remember, O Lord, the others: the faithful whom we have mentioned and also the Orthodox ones whom we have not mentioned. Them and us together with them; as a Good One and Lover of mankind, O God:

People:
Absolve, forgive and remit, O God, our transgressions, those we have committed willingly and those which we have committed unwillingly; those which we have committed knowingly and those which we have committed unknowingly; the hidden and the manifest. O Lord, forgive us them (these sins).

And the second part in Coptic:

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Priest:
That in this, as in all things, Your great and holy name may be glorified, blessed and exalted, which is in all things honoured and blessed, together with Your good Father and the Holy Spirit.

Peace to all.

People:
And to your spirit
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