Author Topic: Oriental Orthodox Music  (Read 169727 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Amdetsion

  • Worship God with all thy strength and all thy might
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 931
  • HH Abuna Pawlos - Patriarch of Ethiopia
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #135 on: May 27, 2008, 10:49:52 AM »
I love Ethiopian music too. Here's one of my favourites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnSUJffsRLA

The singing has such an ethereal quality to it. Can anyone tell me what it means when they hold their hands, palm upwards, as they sing?

Prayer...

In Ethiopia singing is prayer put to song or poetry (Mezmur).

In the old testament you will read about worshipping God with hands "lifted up".

Ethiopia is very rooted in the "old testament world" which intrigues many who incounter the nation today. Much of the nations character, eb and flow is that which is relevant to life of "biblical" era old and new testament worlds living as a single undivided culture.

It is forgotton by many that Ethiopia has played a direct role in the entire biblical epic.

It is very complex.

I hope this answered your question.

The song you posted here is very beautiful indeed. It is in Ge'ez and so I am not sure of all the words. But I can tell you that it is filled with praises of Gods gifts to us all and that such gifts are relevant to us and work (sera) with us (Christians) to keep us safe in this life while preparing for the next life.

Peace to you
"ETHIOPIA shall soon stretch out her hands unto God".....Psalm 68:vs 31

"Are ye not as children of the ETHIOPIANS unto me, O children of Israel"?....Amos 9: vs 7

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #136 on: May 30, 2008, 12:11:02 AM »
This is a hymn sung in the Armenian Church during Holy Thursday night.  It depicts Christ in his suffering yearning for the comfort of His holy mother.  Every year when this is sung, you can hear people in the congregation crying.  It is very sad and beautiful.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk0buDhyGSE&feature=related

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #137 on: May 31, 2008, 04:17:24 PM »
On Monday (June 2, 2008) I am going to be meeting with a group of Muslims... and I want to share some Orthodox chant with them.

Does anyone know of links to Orthodox chant in ARABIC

EkhristosAnesti has already shared two Arabic songs on his esnips account (Ya Mariam Al Bekr, Axion Ke Dikeon)... and thank you so much for that!  :)

If anyone knows of more... please share.

Thanks, and God bless
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #138 on: May 31, 2008, 06:02:35 PM »
You might want to try Coptichymns.net

http://www.coptichymns.net/index.php?module=hymns&func=catview

and Tasbeha.org

http://tasbeha.org/mp3.html

I think they have hymns in Arabic as well as Coptic.  I've seen some of them on Tasbeha come with lyrics and translations.

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #139 on: May 31, 2008, 11:34:26 PM »
Thanks, Salpy, I bookmarked them both!  :)
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline minasoliman

  • Mr., Sir, Dude, Guy, Male, tr. Minas in Greek, Menes in white people Egyptologists :-P
  • Section Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,201
  • Strengthen O Lord the work of Your hands(Is 19:25)
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #140 on: June 01, 2008, 12:30:11 PM »
http://www.coptichymns.net/modules.php?name=Coptic_Media&op=modload&file=index&p=Spiritual%20Songs/Arabic%20Songs

Here's some in Arabic, hymns and some traditional songs sung in the Coptic Church.  I would look at the ones with the end "Ayaad" since they stick with the traditional.  I haven't listened to the other ones.

Look also at "Pascha Songs."  My favorite in this one is this (Omonogenes, or "Oh Only Begotten Son" in Arabic):

http://www.coptichymns.net/modules.php?name=Coptic_Media&op=modload&file=index&l=12&p=Spiritual%20Songs/Arabic%20Songs/Pascha_Songs/pascha_ayuhal-ibn.rm

God bless.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2008, 12:30:44 PM by minasoliman »
Vain existence can never exist, for "unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain." (Psalm 127)

If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #141 on: June 03, 2008, 10:00:46 AM »
Here's some in Arabic hymns and some traditional songs

Thanks, for your help, Mina. :) 
I downloaded most of the chants last night... they are certainly beautiful.
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Andrew21091

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,271
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #142 on: June 04, 2008, 03:54:51 PM »
Thank you Mina. There are some very beautiful chants on there.

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #143 on: June 09, 2008, 12:05:56 AM »
A beautiful Coptic Orthodox burial hymn from Holy Friday:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=No5PkVen3UA&feature=related

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #144 on: June 09, 2008, 08:06:22 PM »
I believe I may have found a Serbian mezmur!!!  :D

Any honest, constructive feedback on how this video is like/unlike Ethiopian mezmurs?
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #145 on: June 10, 2008, 12:05:15 AM »
That was absolutely beautiful!

Offline Amdetsion

  • Worship God with all thy strength and all thy might
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 931
  • HH Abuna Pawlos - Patriarch of Ethiopia
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #146 on: June 10, 2008, 12:54:53 PM »
I believe I may have found a Serbian mezmur!!!  :D

Any honest, constructive feedback on how this video is like/unlike Ethiopian mezmurs?


Very beautiful, but different.

I do hear elements in the arrangement that like that of Ethiopian Mezmure.
"ETHIOPIA shall soon stretch out her hands unto God".....Psalm 68:vs 31

"Are ye not as children of the ETHIOPIANS unto me, O children of Israel"?....Amos 9: vs 7

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #147 on: June 14, 2008, 07:18:37 PM »
It could just be me, but this song really seems to contain a lot of the ancient roots of contemporary American jazz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aghj2Nqorag&feature=related
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Amdetsion

  • Worship God with all thy strength and all thy might
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 931
  • HH Abuna Pawlos - Patriarch of Ethiopia
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #148 on: June 16, 2008, 02:06:07 PM »
It could just be me, but this song really seems to contain a lot of the ancient roots of contemporary American jazz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aghj2Nqorag&feature=related

You do know that the "ancient roots" of American Jazz is African.
"ETHIOPIA shall soon stretch out her hands unto God".....Psalm 68:vs 31

"Are ye not as children of the ETHIOPIANS unto me, O children of Israel"?....Amos 9: vs 7

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #149 on: June 16, 2008, 02:53:15 PM »
You do know that the "ancient roots" of American Jazz is African.

Yes... I posted this particular song because, of all the mezmurs I've heard, this particular one seems to be the most "Jazz-like."
(and, of course, it is also very beautiful!  :))
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #150 on: June 16, 2008, 05:22:17 PM »
Here are some Palm Sunday processional hymns and chants by our Malankara Syrian Orthodox brothers.  I love how they have kids throwing the palm fronds in the air.  It must have been fun.   :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-8D-ruysWvc&feature=related

The above is repy 131 on page three of this thread.  Just now, I discovered an old thread elsewhere in the OO section describing what the children in that video are doing:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,5591.0.html#lastPost

Offline Quinault

  • Protokentarchos
  • *********
  • Posts: 4,518
  • What about frogs? I like frogs!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #151 on: June 16, 2008, 07:06:23 PM »
That is really great. My daughter wants to go now!

Could anyone translate and tell me what they are singing?

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #152 on: June 16, 2008, 07:17:55 PM »
the children in that video...

Beautiful, darling, sacred!  :)
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #153 on: June 16, 2008, 07:20:05 PM »
Jacobite Syrian Christian Holy Mass

This church's decoration is quite elaborate and colorful... like looking at a glimmering rainbow.
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #154 on: June 17, 2008, 01:47:51 PM »
The above youtube video seems to show what Mor Ephrem once described as a "simultaneous celebration."  It seems like an interesting Indian Orthodox tradition.  Mor Ephrem's comments on it can be found here:

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,192.new.html#new

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #155 on: June 17, 2008, 03:08:30 PM »
The above youtube video seems to show what Mor Ephrem once described as a "simultaneous celebration."  It seems like an interesting Indian Orthodox tradition.


Very interesting indeed.

I was a little confused when I first saw this video (because of the "simultaneous celebration"), but then I vaguely remembered the thread Salpy just mentioned.  Thanks for connecting the dots for us, Salpy.
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #156 on: June 21, 2008, 02:44:49 PM »
The Lord's Prayer in Syriac:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqLZr11JhMM

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #157 on: June 23, 2008, 03:29:20 PM »
St. Nersess Seminary has an instructional page on the Liturgy.

http://www.stnersess.edu/classroom/badarak/index.php?iw=1&lid=2&unth=1&id=1

If you click on the "hymns" button at the top, you get some of the hymns sung during the Armenian liturgy, with the music.

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #158 on: June 23, 2008, 04:34:30 PM »
This goes out to all my peeps who today embark on the Fast of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul.  8)

I've been wanting to post this since Pascha...

A young Ethiopian woman plays the "begena" (also called Harp of David)...
which I understand is only to be played during times of fasting.
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #159 on: June 25, 2008, 06:49:22 PM »
This is a "vesting hymn" sung at the beginning of the liturgy of the Armenian Church:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s7t8TNX4oM4

I think the pictures in the liturgy are from Noravank Monastery, an ancient monastery in Armenia.

The translation of the hymn is as follows:

O mystery deep, inscrutable, without beginning,
You have decked your supernal realm
As a nuptial chamber to the light unapproachable
And adorned with splendid glory the ranks of the fiery spirits.

Heavenly King,
Preserve your Church unshaken
And keep in peace
Those who worship your name.

(Translation taken from the Divine Liturgy book published by the Eastern Diocese of the United States.)

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #160 on: June 26, 2008, 01:27:16 AM »
This is something chanted every Sunday in the Armenian Church, by the deacons standing around the altar:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bPvIW1x_OMM

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #161 on: June 28, 2008, 01:21:54 AM »
Famous Armenian singer, Lucine Zakarian, is heard in this video.  The hymn played here, Horjham, is not a hymn you hear every Sunday, but rather on certain feast days:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cO77g4mRHm8

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #162 on: July 08, 2008, 01:19:00 PM »
A Coptic Nativity hymn, E-Parthenos, in English and Arabic:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AmFZg_89wO4

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #163 on: July 10, 2008, 02:01:51 PM »
Some beautiful chanting from the Coptic midnight praise service:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_YYgScw-fSU&feature=related

Offline Amdetsion

  • Worship God with all thy strength and all thy might
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 931
  • HH Abuna Pawlos - Patriarch of Ethiopia
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #164 on: July 10, 2008, 03:20:34 PM »
Some beautiful chanting from the Coptic midnight praise service:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_YYgScw-fSU&feature=related

I agree. Beautiful!

I ran into trouble with a person or two that I emailed the link to. I forget how badly many people see the protestant, secular style 'pictures' that the Copitc Church chooses to use on and in some or certain of its media material.

I have so much of it I no longer notice.

Certain people are hyper sensitive to seeing 'western' images on, in or relating to eastern material. The Coptic tradtional Icons are accepted among this same group of people I know for example.

Anyway they did love the hyms.

These same people love the Coptic people and the blessed Coptic Holy Christian Traditions. Most of these people are American born converts to Orthodoxy of African ancestry. They expect to 'see' eastern tradition and are shocked and disappointed that we (Ethiopian churches as well) use such images at times or in certain situations.

My work is almost all missionary among converts. So I am obligated to reach them. I get so much support from the Coptic Church with this effort.

It is amazing how a small thing to us we do not even see the convert sees in bold colors.

WE must be alert to this somehow.

Thanks!
"ETHIOPIA shall soon stretch out her hands unto God".....Psalm 68:vs 31

"Are ye not as children of the ETHIOPIANS unto me, O children of Israel"?....Amos 9: vs 7

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #165 on: July 10, 2008, 03:37:39 PM »
I think all of our Churches over the last couple of centuries became exposed to Western religious art and in many places began using it.  That is definitely true of the Armenian Church.  I am thankful that in Armenia now they have set up schools of iconography where young people are learning the old style.  I know the Copts are also reviving their iconographic tradition.  Let's pray that this continues.

It's great that you are e-mailing these links to people.  I always believed that one of the best witnesses to the Christian faith is our music.   :)

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #166 on: July 10, 2008, 10:08:16 PM »
I ran into trouble with a person or two that I emailed the link to. I forget how badly many people see the protestant, secular style 'pictures'...

Certain people are hyper sensitive to seeing 'western' images on, in or relating to eastern material...

American born converts to Orthodoxy... expect to 'see' eastern tradition and are shocked and disappointed that we (Ethiopian churches as well) use such images at times or in certain situations...

It is amazing how a small thing to us we do not even see the convert sees in bold colors...

WE must be alert to this somehow.


Americans are raised with the understanding that Christianity is an exclusively Western European religion that has been historically racist against all non-European races and cultures. 

Our contemporary culture presents us this view:
Ancient Christianity = Papism/Romanism, Crusades, Inquisition, mass extermination of indigenous culture.....
Modern Christianity = Protestantism, slavery, endless quarrels, emotionalism

One of the most common complaints about "Christian art" is that Jesus is always depicted as a blond-haired blue-eyed Western European... in the renaissance, emotional, photo-realistic style.  Most white Americans are ashamed of Western European history (mostly all the things done in the name of "Christianity") and most black Americans are (understandably) very bitter.  So, when you have a country full of people who are both ashamed and bitter about most anything Western European/"Christian"... but who are still seeking Christ, they are SO EXCITED to finally find anything from "eastern"/Orthodox Christianity.  They finally feel liberated from their shame and bitterness.  HOWEVER, when all of a sudden they see this new, fresh, pristine "eastern" world tainted with the dreaded "western" culture it causes all that shame and bitterness to come rising back to the surface... giving a feeling of "I KNEW it was too good to be true!"
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #167 on: July 10, 2008, 10:13:02 PM »
I am thankful that in Armenia now they have set up schools of iconography where young people are learning the old style.  I know the Copts are also reviving their iconographic tradition.

Glory to God!  :D

Let's pray that this continues.

Amen!  Lord have mercy!

It's great that you are e-mailing these links to people.  I always believed that one of the best witnesses to the Christian faith is our music.   :)

Most definitely  :)
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Amdetsion

  • Worship God with all thy strength and all thy might
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 931
  • HH Abuna Pawlos - Patriarch of Ethiopia
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #168 on: July 15, 2008, 02:10:14 PM »

Americans are raised with the understanding that Christianity is an exclusively Western European religion that has been historically racist against all non-European races and cultures. 

Our contemporary culture presents us this view:
Ancient Christianity = Papism/Romanism, Crusades, Inquisition, mass extermination of indigenous culture.....
Modern Christianity = Protestantism, slavery, endless quarrels, emotionalism

One of the most common complaints about "Christian art" is that Jesus is always depicted as a blond-haired blue-eyed Western European... in the renaissance, emotional, photo-realistic style.  Most white Americans are ashamed of Western European history (mostly all the things done in the name of "Christianity") and most black Americans are (understandably) very bitter.  So, when you have a country full of people who are both ashamed and bitter about most anything Western European/"Christian"... but who are still seeking Christ, they are SO EXCITED to finally find anything from "eastern"/Orthodox Christianity.  They finally feel liberated from their shame and bitterness.  HOWEVER, when all of a sudden they see this new, fresh, pristine "eastern" world tainted with the dreaded "western" culture it causes all that shame and bitterness to come rising back to the surface... giving a feeling of "I KNEW it was too good to be true!"

Seraphim my good brother!

Thank you ofr your very clear and concise way of explaining this issue. It is very well put.

I may need to use this explanation one day !

You hit the point right on.

Thanks.

God bless you +
"ETHIOPIA shall soon stretch out her hands unto God".....Psalm 68:vs 31

"Are ye not as children of the ETHIOPIANS unto me, O children of Israel"?....Amos 9: vs 7

Offline Orthodox11

  • Archon
  • ********
  • Posts: 2,999
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #169 on: August 07, 2008, 09:39:51 AM »
Ethiopian pop star Teddy Afro (Tewodros Kassahun) singing Orthodox mezmur  ;D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzl8LWjZgsE

Would one of our Amharic speakers be able to give a translation?
« Last Edit: August 07, 2008, 09:42:24 AM by Orthodox11 »

Offline Andrew21091

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,271
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #170 on: August 08, 2008, 01:29:45 PM »
« Last Edit: August 08, 2008, 01:33:01 PM by Andrew21091 »

Offline Amdetsion

  • Worship God with all thy strength and all thy might
  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 931
  • HH Abuna Pawlos - Patriarch of Ethiopia
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #171 on: August 08, 2008, 06:18:29 PM »
Ethiopian pop star Teddy Afro (Tewodros Kassahun) singing Orthodox mezmur  ;D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzl8LWjZgsE

Would one of our Amharic speakers be able to give a translation?

Traditionally Orthodox songs are sung in all Ge'ez; not Amarinya. It sounds like this recording is using both Ge'ez and Amarinya; mixed.

It is a very powerful song I must say. Starting with excerpts from 'our father prayer' and then transitions into the Ethiopian Orthodox prayer to the Holy Virgin not the whole prayer but in peaces. Rather creatively. The song sways along with points of God our savior, "descended from david" and so on.

The song appeals to the Mother of God to intercede for mankind.

It is a very penitent piece. I have never heard sung this way. The arrangement is not Orthodox but secular Ethiopian traditional. The arrangement used is usually used with love songs and such which is Tedy Afros fame. As such many conservative Ethiopians will not look too favorably upon the song for this reason.

I feel the song is challenging to listen to.

I was surprised. Very surprised.

I beleive the artists is trying to test the waters of how far he can go. Maybe he may think that this style of mewze'ka will replace traditional 'mez'mewr' or add to it even if only to reach the younger generation. I do not know.

I am a conservative and feel that the artist is reaching a little bit far and should be careful with what he is doing.

Art is art and Holy is Holy. These are not good mixes to me.

Rome got caught in this mixing of art and holy tradition and produced many good things I imagine but also has to live with the reputation of 'art' in regard to its religious artifacts which is unfortunate. The Cisteen Chaple is to me a really difficult experience. The paintings are outragious and provocative but at the same time have a intent to express 'holyness'. This same thing happened with choral and liturgical chant in the western church which is now viewed as 'art' as well do the the large scale use of these religious forms in secular venues such as Opera and so-called 'classical' music.

I prefer to keep sacred sacred.


"ETHIOPIA shall soon stretch out her hands unto God".....Psalm 68:vs 31

"Are ye not as children of the ETHIOPIANS unto me, O children of Israel"?....Amos 9: vs 7

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #172 on: August 10, 2008, 02:41:38 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOSWpV2JbfY

Quote
Church of Christ The Savior in Shushi, Karabakh (Artsakh)

The Christian monuments of Shushi are at last free from vandals and in the hands of their rightful owners being restored to it its past.  The church of Christ The Savior, which is a centerpiece of the city, was in undignified by years of disrepair, vandalism, and destruction under Azeri rule. During the Azeri-Karabakh war, the church was turned into ammunition depot of rockets used for daily shelling of capital Stepanakert.  However, after liberation of Shushi by Armenian forces of Karabakh, the church of Christ the Savior was restored and put back in service for locals. This video has remarkable footage of the first moments, when the church was liberated and restored.



This video brought :'( of joy.
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #173 on: August 16, 2008, 05:59:28 PM »
Another Armenian hymn sung by Lucine Zakarian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djoq5OalnOI

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #174 on: August 17, 2008, 07:26:56 PM »
Here is some chanting recorded in India:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWjG4Y9jpPA&NR=1

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #175 on: August 17, 2008, 07:39:07 PM »
From a Good Friday service in a Syriac Orthodox Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sFw2yZIhyA&feature=related

The chanting is gorgeous, and also note the symbolism in the service, including what I think is supposed to represent the sealing of Christ's Body in the Holy Tomb.

Offline _Seraphim_

  • High Elder
  • ******
  • Posts: 657
  • May Orthodoxy become our orthopraxis
    • OrthodoxMysteries
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #176 on: August 22, 2008, 01:18:11 PM »
From a Good Friday service in a Syriac Orthodox Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sFw2yZIhyA&feature=related

Wow, thanks!  I've had a Syrian chant album for years with this song on it.  It is wonderful to actually SEE it being sung in a church... and quite a joy to be able to sing along!  :)
"Disputes merely about words must not be suffered to divide those who think alike."
-St. Athanasius (†444)

Pray for Orthodox Unity

"Behold the light of our Agreed Statement on Christology"
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/state04.html

Offline alexp4uni

  • Site Supporter
  • Elder
  • *****
  • Posts: 329
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #177 on: August 22, 2008, 03:07:01 PM »
From a Good Friday service in a Syriac Orthodox Cathedral:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sFw2yZIhyA&feature=related

The chanting is gorgeous, and also note the symbolism in the service, including what I think is supposed to represent the sealing of Christ's Body in the Holy Tomb.

Somehow the Syrians on the commenting board were a little touchy when the curtain was closed and the camera was still on.

Offline Salpy

  • Moderator
  • Toumarches
  • *****
  • Posts: 13,061
  • New Martyrs of Libya pray for us!
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #178 on: August 22, 2008, 04:08:59 PM »
Wow!  I just saw the comments under the video.  I hadn't noticed those before.  I would think, however, that the video would not have been published without the knowledge and consent of a priest or the bishop.  I think the entity publishing it was the cathedral.

Offline Andrew21091

  • OC.net guru
  • *******
  • Posts: 1,271
Re: Oriental Orthodox Music
« Reply #179 on: August 29, 2008, 06:27:11 PM »
http://www.stantonymonastery.org/psalmody.asp

Coptic chant in English sung by the monks of St. Anthony's Monastery in California.