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Re: Vatican Army
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2010, 04:32:07 PM »

As I said above it is better to be radical than a syncretist. Hopefully, in the next couple of years we Roman Catholics will return to our traditional understanding of the Orthodox world. All of this syncretism which has gone on in the last 50 years is enough.
No, this place has never had an Orthodox minority, for it is too far West.

Really, this looks rather Eastern, despite the damage done by repainting after the Hussites desecrated her.  Where do the Poles say they got her from again?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Church_of_the_Icon_of_Our_Lady_of_Cz%C4%99stochowa
See? not too far West.  Btw, Orthodox monks from Egypt went to Ireland, so you are not too far West at all.

St. Photios sent SS. Cyril and Methodios to St. Rastislav,

who evangelized Rastislav's subjects in their own Slavonic language, in his realm:

Looks West of Poland.

St. Methodosius on his death bed designated his disciple St. Gorazd, a local nobleman, as his successor.

http://www.omda.bg/ENGL/HISTORY/sedmotch.html

The Vatican, however, let the Germans suppressed the Slavonic rite.  St. Gorazd, however, remained.  It seems that he founded the episcopate at Cracow.
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Re: Vatican Army
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2010, 04:35:07 PM »
The roots of the Vatican Army stem from Rome being given the lands of the last Exarch of Revenna. As the Empire collapsed the Pope was given the those lands to in effect be his own Exarch and protect himself and the Christian West who was without a Western Emperor, Caesar, etc.

I thought he got them in the Donation of Constantine. ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exarch_of_Ravenna#The_end_of_the_Exarchate
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Re: Vatican Army
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2010, 06:06:46 PM »
The roots of the Vatican Army stem from Rome being given the lands of the last Exarch of Revenna. As the Empire collapsed the Pope was given the those lands to in effect be his own Exarch and protect himself and the Christian West who was without a Western Emperor, Caesar, etc.

I thought he got them in the Donation of Constantine. ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exarch_of_Ravenna#The_end_of_the_Exarchate

I think we both know the answer to that but I remember hearing in a lecture that the lands of Ravenna were give to the See of Rome by a protector of the west... Was it the Franks? I don't remember.

His ally Pippin the Younger, King of the Franks, donated the conquered lands of the former exarchate to the Papacy in 756; this donation, which was confirmed by his son Charlemagne in 774, marked the beginning of the temporal power of the popes as the Patrimony of Saint Peter.

Hey, if the Eastern Empire is going to do nothing but send their own Mercenaries to subjugate you and your people then you've got to get your own protection... Hello Pippin!
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Re: Vatican Army
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2010, 06:26:18 PM »
The roots of the Vatican Army stem from Rome being given the lands of the last Exarch of Revenna. As the Empire collapsed the Pope was given the those lands to in effect be his own Exarch and protect himself and the Christian West who was without a Western Emperor, Caesar, etc.

I thought he got them in the Donation of Constantine. ::)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exarch_of_Ravenna#The_end_of_the_Exarchate

I think we both know the answer to that but I remember hearing in a lecture that the lands of Ravenna were give to the See of Rome by a protector of the west... Was it the Franks? I don't remember.

His ally Pippin the Younger, King of the Franks, donated the conquered lands of the former exarchate to the Papacy in 756; this donation, which was confirmed by his son Charlemagne in 774, marked the beginning of the temporal power of the popes as the Patrimony of Saint Peter.

Hey, if the Eastern Empire is going to do nothing but send their own Mercenaries to subjugate you and your people then you've got to get your own protection... Hello Pippin!

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Eutychius, the last exarch of Ravenna, was killed by the Lombards in 751.  When in 756 the Franks drove the Lombards out, Pope Stephen II claimed the exarchate. His ally Pippin the Younger, King of the Franks, donated the conquered lands of the former exarchate to the Papacy in 756; this donation, which was confirmed by his son Charlemagne in 774, marked the beginning of the temporal power of the popes as the Patrimony of Saint Peter. The archbishoprics within the former exarchate, however, had developed traditions of local secular power and independence, which contributed to the fragmenting localization of powers. Three centuries later, that independence would fuel the rise of the independent communes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exarchate_of_ravenna#The_end_of_the_Exarchate
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Re: Vatican Army
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2010, 01:43:05 PM »

As I said above it is better to be radical than a syncretist. Hopefully, in the next couple of years we Roman Catholics will return to our traditional understanding of the Orthodox world. All of this syncretism which has gone on in the last 50 years is enough.


I can't believe that I wrote this.
Now I do not agree with the views I held back then.

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Re: Vatican Army
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2010, 01:59:07 PM »

As I said above it is better to be radical than a syncretist. Hopefully, in the next couple of years we Roman Catholics will return to our traditional understanding of the Orthodox world. All of this syncretism which has gone on in the last 50 years is enough.


I can't believe that I wrote this.
Now I do not agree with the views I held back then.

What do you believe now?
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