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an Orthodox "Israel"
« on: August 23, 2006, 08:35:13 PM »
I daydream and listen to a lot of news at work.  I was thinking today if/how an Orthodox religious state would go.  

If there were the circumstances and history surrounding our church that the jews had ( no countries with an Orthodox majority, the whole Promised Land thing, money(i guess we got the Greeks)) Anyway, forget the why part.  

I was thinking about if Orthodox from all over the world were dropped onto a stretch of land, what would the infrastructure look like.. form of government, worship, culture, etc.  

thought it might be a nice free-for-all

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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2006, 09:08:20 PM »
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2006, 12:35:06 AM »
Actually, I don't think it would look like the Eastern Roman Empire. For one thing, I very much doubt that 10% or more of the urban population would be made up of monks. Second, we have obviously shifted quite a bit towards commerce, and away from agriculture. And third, with the way communications and other technologies have advanced, it'd be harder to have all that intrique and murdering leaders and whatnot as acceptable phenomena; people would just leave such an unstable society today, whereas they didn't have that choice a thousand years ago. 

I think an Orthodox country, if made up of today's Orthodox, would probably be a Republic, with perhaps a Monarch of some sort who had mostly cultural powers. The worship would be exclusivistic, and ornate. Other religions and belief systems would be tolerated, but hardly have the type of freedom that a government like the U.S. allows. I think that, like the U.S., the culture would be somewhat moderate to conservative, when compared to peer nations, but of course her more conservative/traditional enemies would still find lots of reasons to cast stones. I think political contests, sporting events, etc. would be hotly (and sometimes violently) debated and contested, reflecting the ethnic and cultural divisions among the population at large. Probably less than half the population would attend Church on a regular bases, possibly significantly less. Still, the necessity of religion, going to monasteries, etc. would consistently be rated as being very important in polls.
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2006, 07:41:17 AM »
Still, Φώτιος is right - The Eastern Roman Empire
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2006, 02:53:28 PM »
Well, given that the "Eastern Roman Empire" changed quite a bit over it's 1,000+ years of existence, why don't you be a bit more specific? For a couple examples, would this modern society allow legalized prostitution, as the early Eastern Roman Empire did for hundreds of years? Would Christianity be the official state religion, and would heretic and schismatic leaders be exiled or confined to monasteries? Would it be considered moral to set people up for slaughter--that is to say, to settle people into a certain section of your land, in order to act as a buffer, because it was well known that eventually someone would invade right through that region? These are all things not uncommon in the Eastern Roman Empire, yet I hardly think they would happen today. I don't think it would be anything like the ancient Eastern Roman Empire. At least I hope not!
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2006, 02:57:16 PM »
Actually, no. I have little interest in topic other than my opinion above. The Empire was the closest such a state will ever come and such an entity is unimportant to me.
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2006, 03:35:24 PM »
Holy Russia
I would be happy to agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.

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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2006, 03:37:24 PM »
Holy Russia

"New" New Rome? Why not?
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2006, 03:44:08 PM »
Holy Russia

Too cold.

No beaches and the Beaches they do Have are frozen .  ;)

Go to Church, come back home, hit the beach.

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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2006, 03:47:11 PM »
Too cold.

No beaches and the Beaches they do Have are frozen .  ;)

Go to Church, come back home, hit the beach.

It's cold to ensure that people wear modest clothing.  Was it mini-skirts and beach bikinis in 19th Century Russia?  No, it was not!  Is outrage!

Besides, everyone knows that God's preferred tongue is Slavonic.  :D
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2006, 04:04:15 PM »
It's cold to ensure that people wear modest clothing.  Was it mini-skirts and beach bikinis in 19th Century Russia?  No, it was not!  Is outrage!

Besides, everyone knows that God's preferred tongue is Slavonic.  :D

When I was growing up, I was told that He only heard prayers in German  :D
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2006, 04:08:41 PM »
When I was growing up, I was told that He only heard prayers in German  :D

If He only heard prayers in German, He must not be all powerful. :D
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2006, 09:05:36 PM »
I think it would be similar to America, but less bickering, more conservatives, punishment for murderers, and an Emperor. Though he probably wouldnt be all powerful, we would still give him the highest respect possible, a.k.a. throwing yourself to the ground in prostration.
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2006, 12:05:12 AM »
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2006, 05:48:41 PM »
Ethiopia for over 1300 years has been Orthodox Christian country.

All Kings and Queens adhered to the faith and answered to the Archbishop of Axum (Northern Ethiopia) and the Patriarch of the See of St. Mark.

Due to this; many provinces and towns are named using biblcal geographical names. Most of lalibela and part of Axum was built with the belief that this would be the "new Jerusalem". The world renouned rock hewned chuches and monastaries built during the 9, 10, and 11th centuries are the physical elements that still remain of the vast Christian Orthodox empire.

In the 16th Century RC was thrown out of the country; and protestants were banned until 1950-60.

All money coinage and law of the land was based on the Church. Thier are photographs of the Emporer Hiali Sellassie in a fully convened parliament that included all the bishops and archbishops of the Church.

These photos are amazing to see.

All clothing was detailed with crosses and other Christian symbols. Even people of other faiths wore these cloths.

All major national holidays were the saint days of the Church. The government was closed. You would be amazed to see muslims and Christians and people of all other faiths celebrating the finding of the true cross and all other Church Holy days.

Most of the above is still common in Ethiopia.

Most Orthodox Christians are not aware that Ethiopia holds the largest single Orthodox community in the world with close to 40,000 Churches and 135,000 priests. Thats only inside the country. The Church is today all over the world now obsorbing local populations in the various locations it is established.

I just thought I would use my country as an example of what a fully Orthodox only world would be like.

Lately; we have allot of western influence that has changed some things especially from protestant missionaries and thier up-side-down ideas they describe as preaching the gosple. The alonely thing impressive about the protestant missions are their huge budgets. They woo people with the magic that money brings the miracles of wealth as witnessed by the eyes of the chronically poor. We started letting this element into the country in the late 1960's. I keep telling them that they are not preaching Christ they are preaching religious idiology.

Anyway; I thought I'd try to show what I feel is a microcosm of the greater point.

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"ETHIOPIA shall soon stretch out her hands unto God".....Psalm 68:vs 31

"Are ye not as children of the ETHIOPIANS unto me, O children of Israel"?....Amos 9: vs 7

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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2006, 05:27:46 PM »
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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2006, 09:27:28 PM »
When I was younger (before I was even Orthodox) I used to be big on the whole Christian conservative political thing, right up to fantasizing about a new "Byzantine Empire".  An older and wiser person told me:

"If the people of a place were holy enough to support an Orthodox government without corrupting it, you wouldn't need the government to begin with"



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Re: an Orthodox "Israel"
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2006, 11:02:55 PM »
I like that quote . . . . of course with my sanctification I could clearly run the Ultra-new New Rome (Part IV) as imperator . . . basil . . . tsar . . . commander-in-cheif ;)
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I think the French may be on to something here.