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« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 08:49:00 AM »

David Bentley Hart's excellent essay "The Myth of Schism" can be found here. He demolishes much of the garbage theology and historiography that informs contemporary knee-jerk anti-Westernism (and which is parroted on this thread). He also points out the real differences between us and the RC's, in a constructive and nuanced way.

On the thread dedicated to the essay you said that it was an academic grab at attention. But now you think it's brilliant.  What will you say next? Maybe that the essay should be read before the Gospel during the services?
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« Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 08:59:50 AM »

The Great Schism didn't just happen, it took lots of years, lots of animosity and lots of polemics.
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« Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 09:18:51 AM »

David Bentley Hart's excellent essay "The Myth of Schism" can be found here. He demolishes much of the garbage theology and historiography that informs contemporary knee-jerk anti-Westernism (and which is parroted on this thread). He also points out the real differences between us and the RC's, in a constructive and nuanced way.

On the thread dedicated to the essay you said that it was an academic grab at attention. But now you think it's brilliant. 
I said it sounded that way. Then I read it. You should too!
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« Reply #48 on: Yesterday at 09:36:27 AM »

St. Gennadios Scholarios certainly was a Thomist, as were the celebrated anti-unionists Joseph Bryennios and Makarios Makres.

Let's not get carried away.

The following older thread provides excellent discussion concerning the supposed Thomism of St. Gennadios Scholarios.

It really doesn't. The thread is a long joke. Hardly anyone besides Fripod had anything but the usual talking points/ propaganda on offer.

The post you quote is silly.

One doesn't need to agree with Aquinas on every point of doctrine to be a Thomist. Otherwise, there are no Thomists in the RC church today since Aquinas argued against the immaculate conception. Thomism is distinctive chiefly as a method, developed from Aristotelianism, for doing theology.

The argument that Saint Gennadios' interest in Aquinas was purely philosophical/ academic is absurd. The fact that he was a scholar long before he was a cleric is rather irrelevant. For one thing, Mark of Ephesus was one of his chief teachers in his early academic years. Theological studies were a major part of his work.

There is very little in Aquinas' summae that is not Orthodox, so it would certainly not require heavy editing to excise those parts. The reason why St. Gennadios abridged his translations of the Summae was much more practical, as he states in the preface- it was simply unwieldy for him to try to translate and publish the full volumes especially after the Ottoman conquest.

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« Reply #49 on: Today at 04:28:38 PM »

St. Gennadios Scholarios certainly was a Thomist, as were the celebrated anti-unionists Joseph Bryennios and Makarios Makres.

Let's not get carried away.

The following older thread provides excellent discussion concerning the supposed Thomism of St. Gennadios Scholarios.

It really doesn't. The thread is a long joke. Hardly anyone besides Fripod had anything but the usual talking points/ propaganda on offer.

The post you quote is silly.

One doesn't need to agree with Aquinas on every point of doctrine to be a Thomist. Otherwise, there are no Thomists in the RC church today since Aquinas argued against the immaculate conception. Thomism is distinctive chiefly as a method, developed from Aristotelianism, for doing theology.

The argument that Saint Gennadios' interest in Aquinas was purely philosophical/ academic is absurd. The fact that he was a scholar long before he was a cleric is rather irrelevant. For one thing, Mark of Ephesus was one of his chief teachers in his early academic years. Theological studies were a major part of his work.

There is very little in Aquinas' summae that is not Orthodox, so it would certainly not require heavy editing to excise those parts. The reason why St. Gennadios abridged his translations of the Summae was much more practical, as he states in the preface- it was simply unwieldy for him to try to translate and publish the full volumes especially after the Ottoman conquest.



Barbour (The Byzantine Thomism of George Gennadios Scholarios) and Livanos (Greek Tradition and Latin Influence in the Work of George Scholarios), both hardly propagandists, essentially agree that Scholarios' interest in Aquinas was primarily philosophical. And Livanos makes the case that it is incorrect to label St. Gennadios a Thomist, as is standard in western historiography.  Going further back another scholar, Papadopoulos, sees both Thomist and Anti-Thomist elements in Scholarios.

Ill leave it at that as this whole tangent is straying from the subject of the thread.
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« Reply #50 on: Today at 04:30:30 PM »

David Bentley Hart's excellent essay "The Myth of Schism" can be found here. He demolishes much of the garbage theology and historiography that informs contemporary knee-jerk anti-Westernism (and which is parroted on this thread). He also points out the real differences between us and the RC's, in a constructive and nuanced way.

On the thread dedicated to the essay you said that it was an academic grab at attention. But now you think it's brilliant. 
I said it sounded that way. Then I read it. You should too!

I can't, I'm too busy memorizing Franks, Feudalism and Doctrine.
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« Reply #51 on: Today at 04:32:30 PM »

David Bentley Hart's excellent essay "The Myth of Schism" can be found here. He demolishes much of the garbage theology and historiography that informs contemporary knee-jerk anti-Westernism (and which is parroted on this thread). He also points out the real differences between us and the RC's, in a constructive and nuanced way.

On the thread dedicated to the essay you said that it was an academic grab at attention. But now you think it's brilliant. 
I said it sounded that way. Then I read it. You should too!

But beware. Before you know it you will find yourself reading something else.
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