I wonder, how do you define community of believers? I think both the RCC and OC define it the same way for themselves.
Why would that be important? Every cult and sect can define it's "community of believers". Every political ideology can define it's "community of believers". The Church is not unique in being a "community of believers".
The only thing which is important is: "Which community of believers is the Church?"
I am sure one can distinguish what on paper looks like the "right" choice. I agree with you on that.
Funny, because I never said that, nor do I think it's correct, so how can you agree with me?
You, Dismus, are coming to conclusions and judging the Orthodox Church as being "hateful" because of what you perceive to be written.
But being "right" only goes so far if the "right" side is filled with contempt and animosity and other worse things that being "right" no longer matters since it is erased by a lack of love.
There is no need to have this nasty stuff to be the Church. No need at all.
On either side. Unless that part becomes a part of the faith knowingly or unknowingly.
If it seeps into the mind that in order to edify one's position one is required to tear to ribbons another, that my friend is like Islam.
Right can be wrong. Just like with men's earrings.
Dismus, you are taking theological disputes personally. If someone disputes the RC dogma of the Immaculate Conception or the Filioque, that is not "tearing others tro ribbons" nor is it "acting with hatred". It is simply saying "your belief is erroneous."
But, don't worry I am not feeling sorry for myself I am okay with it since both sides are more accountable (leaders) and will have a much higher accountability in the end, let alone the average joe shmoe.
That is a cop out which the average "joe shmoe" uses to avoid his responsibilities. Everyone
is accountable for their choices. Just like you are accountable right now for saying that the bishops of the Church are "accountable"- accountable for what? Are they the ones you say are acting with hatred? If so, prove it. Take responsibility for what you say and claim or don't say and claim it.
This seems like voting for black bart or black bart's brother. One on paper has the "right" ideas but is putting them into practice in a not so right way.
The other is even worse.
Both are wrong. Yes, there is one Church. And it is disobedient.
Somehow thinking it's okay as long as we are "right".
It is not OK to tell your detractors that their belief is wrong if you are right and they come and shove their belief down your throat? For example, if someone comes and says "the filioque is correct and anyone who disagrees with it is wrong" is the only option I have to remain silent?
The "Love" you and francis-chistopher seem to think is "Christian" and is "lacking" in the Church would seem to be something which Christ Himself lacked, since He drove the moneychangers out of the Temple with a whip, and accused the scribes and pharisees of being "hypocrites". Your idea of "Love" seems to be rainbows, doves and hugs. The Christian idea of Love is the Cross.