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Offline Matthew777

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The Place of Saint Augustine in the Orthodox Church
« on: August 14, 2006, 06:24:42 PM »
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The Fifth Ecumenical Council, held in Constantinople in A.D. 553, listed Augustine among other Fathers of the Church, though there is no unqualified endorsement of his theology mentioned (just as there is none for most saints of the Church):
We further declare that we hold fast to the decrees of the four Councils, and in every way follow the holy Fathers, Athanasius, Hilary, Basil, Gregory the Theologian, Gregory of Nyssa, Ambrose, Theophilus, John (Chrysostom) of Constantinople, Cyril, Augustine, Proclus, Leo and their writings on the true faith.[1] (emphasis added)

In the acts of the Sixth Ecumenical Council (not yet translated into English), he is called the "most excellent and blessed Augustine" and is referred to as "the most wise teacher." In the Comnenian Council of Constantinople in 1166 he is referred to as "Ό Αγίος Αυγουστίνος - "Saint Augustine."
http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/Augustine_of_Hippo

I know that today, certain Orthodox leaders and teachers would prefer to not consider Augustine a saint, especially because of his influence in the Roman Church. On the other hand, to strip him of sainthood would be an attempt at revisionist history, in ignoring the past declarations of the Orthodox Church.

Some people gag at the idea of Father Seraphim Rose being canonized, due to their disagreements with certain aspects of his theology. But I ask you, what is more important for the people of the faith at large - heavy theological matters or the life that he lived, and the example that he set for other Christians?

Peace.
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Re: The Place of Saint Augustine in the Orthodox Church
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2006, 06:59:31 PM »
M777, please use the search function.  This has been discussed at least twice...including you.

Mods, want to lock it?  This rehash serves no purpose.

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Re: The Place of Saint Augustine in the Orthodox Church
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2006, 07:05:55 PM »
Has any previous thread asserted that the sainthood of Augustine is intrinsic to the identity of the Orthodox Church?
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Re: The Place of Saint Augustine in the Orthodox Church
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2006, 07:15:09 PM »
Has any previous thread asserted that the sainthood of Augustine is intrinsic to the identity of the Orthodox Church?

I doubt it, but the point is inane.  Go pray or something and stop trying to invent inane non-controversial topics please.

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Re: The Place of Saint Augustine in the Orthodox Church
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2006, 07:16:25 PM »
For those who are newer to the forum and didn't see the earlier discussions...

Blessed Augustine
The Confessions of Augustine
Did Augustine Split the Church?

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Re: The Place of Saint Augustine in the Orthodox Church
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2006, 07:17:54 PM »
I doubt it, but the point is inane.ÂÂ  

Would the point be inane if I had said the same of St. John Chrysostom?

That a man could escape sexual sin and heresy and rise to the level of sainthood is a bastion of hope for all Christians. The Church needs examples like this in order to thrive.

Peace.
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Re: The Place of Saint Augustine in the Orthodox Church
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2006, 07:18:13 PM »
For those who are newer to the forum and didn't see the earlier discussions...

Blessed Augustine
The Confessions of Augustine
Did Augustine Split the Church?


Thank you.

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Re: The Place of Saint Augustine in the Orthodox Church
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2006, 07:19:52 PM »
Would the point be inane if I had said the same of St. John Chrysostom?

Yes, because it would not matter what you (or any of us here) said, just like it doesn't matter what a few modern Orthodox academic types think of Bl. Augustine.

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Re: The Place of Saint Augustine in the Orthodox Church
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2006, 07:24:36 PM »
I don't mind this thread being closed, unless if someone disputed the sainthood of Augustine.
In a culture such as ours, in these uncertain times, exemplars like Augustine are what we need the most.

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