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A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« on: August 11, 2006, 02:48:09 AM »
Whenever a friend asks for an explanation of the Orthodox faith, I provide this article:
http://www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article7051.asp

Are there any others that you would recommend?

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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2006, 02:57:33 AM »
Mat ...I think you might be a closet E.O.    .............this site endores Chalcedon :D
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2006, 03:05:01 AM »
I have no problem with Chalcedon, other than its branding of Oriental Orthodox Christians as heretics. It's the liturgy of the Malankara Church that I prefer.

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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2006, 04:02:08 AM »
This one is short yet excellent for Protestants.

Discovering Eastern Orthodoxy by Jeff Simmonds
http://www.reality.org.nz/articles/32/32-simmonds.asp


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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2006, 09:52:07 AM »
Hey, that was a great article, Theognosis.  But you should have posted the HTML version instead of the asp version for those of us not using Explorer.

http://www.reality.org.nz/articles/32/32-simmonds.html
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2006, 10:22:18 AM »
I have no problem with Chalcedon, other than its branding of Oriental Orthodox Christians as heretics. It's the liturgy of the Malankara Church that I prefer.

Peace.

How so? We had a first-time visitor to our little OCA Church last Sunday who normally attends an Egyptian/Coptic Church closer to Dallas. She says the Liturgy is very similar, except the Coptic one is longer (for some reason, the Transfiguration Sunday liturgy service that day was about 15-20 minutes shorter than normal).

So ... how do the OO and the EO liturgies differ, and why do you prefer one?
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2006, 11:51:22 AM »
So ... how do the OO and the EO liturgies differ, and why do you prefer one?

In the Divine Liturgy of St. James, there is more participation from the congregation, rather than having the cantor do almost everything. It is the oldest liturgy of the Church, and something that I am quite fond of.
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2006, 01:15:38 PM »
The "cantor doing everything" is a cultural thing, not something written into the Liturgy (at least for the EO).
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2006, 01:36:20 PM »
The "cantor doing everything" is a cultural thing, not something written into the Liturgy (at least for the EO).

That is at least what I experienced in the Greek Orthodox Church. The members of the congregation were barely even doing anything.
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2006, 01:37:47 PM »
That is at least what I experienced in the Greek Orthodox Church. The members of the congregation were barely even doing anything.

That's a da#* lie! They are socializing!

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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2006, 01:39:59 PM »
That's a da#* lie! They are socializing!

It's best that in the liturgy, to engage in active worship.
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2006, 01:46:22 PM »
That is at least what I experienced in the Greek Orthodox Church. The members of the congregation were barely even doing anything.

Well, I'm sorry to learn you went to a parish that acted in that way. Perhaps you should qualify your statement to indicate that those conditions were found only at that parish that you visited, and not paint the entire Greek Orthodox Church with such a large brush...

So, if you move to a different town and go to a Greek parish where the congregation does in fact sing (such as the Cathedral in Birmingham, AL) and do more than 'barely anything' (whatever that undefined statement means), what would be your reaction? Are you OO because of the local parish, or are you OO out of conviction?
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2006, 01:47:24 PM »
It's best that in the liturgy, to engage in active worship.

They know it all by heart. They are bored.

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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2006, 01:54:31 PM »
Are you OO because of the local parish, or are you OO out of conviction?

I've been an active member of the Malankara Church for almost four years.
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2006, 01:59:12 PM »
They know it all by heart. They are bored.

So, because a plumber knows how to do his job by heart, does than mean he's bored?  What if he enjoys that type of work?  Maybe all these "bored" people just need to learn more about their own faith and actually try to take the words to heart.

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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2006, 01:59:48 PM »
I've been an active member of the Malankara Church for almost four years.

That's a statement and not an answer to chris's question.

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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2006, 02:03:16 PM »
(Aaargh - I wish the quote button would work for me)

Elisha - Don't we all need to?
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2006, 02:04:22 PM »
They know it all by heart. They are bored.

When you know it by heart is when you can truly enjoy the liturgy, because it is a part of you.
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2006, 02:06:27 PM »
That's a statement and not an answer to chris's question.

Even though the Greek Church is closer to my house, I chose Indian Orthodoxy because of the liturgy. But if I didn't have the choice, I'd have no problem in being Greek Orthodox. 
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2006, 02:11:25 PM »
Even though the Greek Church is closer to my house, I chose Indian Orthodoxy because of the liturgy. But if I didn't have the choice, I'd have no problem in being Greek Orthodox.ÂÂ  

So, the answer to the question posed...

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Are you OO because of the local parish, or are you OO out of conviction?

...is that you are OO due to the local parish.

Just wanted to verify this, since you've also discussed in the past how you receive communion in Roman Catholic churches and all.
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Re: A Brief Introduction to the Orthodox Church
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2006, 12:05:03 AM »
I am grateful for the quality of goarch.org's archive of information on Orthodoxy.
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