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'Emergency' Christmation?
« on: July 25, 2006, 06:16:42 PM »
I met a lady today who became Orthodox in 1944 and was married to a Russian man and moved to London. She said she was Chrismated only 4 days after her request because it was considered an 'emergency'. She said that she later asked (after the war) why it was so quick and she was told that it was an emergency situation and that if she felt she was a faithful Orthodox, then he was prepared to take a risk given the circumstances and that it was better for her to die in the faith than to die officially 'faithless'. Was this a 'legal' thing to do and is it still done in circumstances such as ill health or in a war zone nowadays?
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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2006, 06:33:30 PM »
EDITED to take out an unchristian reply.  My apologies to the Troldhaugen and the board. 
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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2006, 06:48:12 PM »
Come on man, I don't think he's judging anyone!  Now, Troldhaugen may correct me if I'm wrong, but he was just curious about this incident.  To answer the question, yes it is a legal thing to do and although I'm not certain, I'm sure it could be done not only in war zones, but in daily life.  I do know it is done in ill health.  However, there is not set time.  I know some catechumins came into the Church only three months and others after three years.  It's dependent on the individual's spirituality and the spiritual father's state.  Remember, that St. Paul baptized men just after telling them about Christ.
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I think the French may be on to something here.

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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2006, 07:04:06 PM »
I was only enquiring about it and I certainly wasn't judging anyone. I know you might not mean to but sometimes your comments can really be a bit too hard Νεκτάριος.

Thanks for your response dantxny. I was just interested to see if this was a generally accepted thing or whether it was extremely rare.
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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2006, 07:11:03 PM »
It definitly isn't the norm.  However, imho, it seems that ORthodoxy seems to go through cycles on initiating converts.  For example, in the Apostolic letters you see immidete initiation, but then during St. Constantine it takes a life time.  In the past it seems that in some areas had a shorter catachemunite, but it seems now that many American Orthodox are starting to have longer ones.  However, this is simply my observations.
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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2006, 07:46:47 PM »
Troldhaugen,
To be fair, there have been articles written by priests on the liklihood of a convert staying if they have a longer catchumenate - i.e. they're more likely to take it seriously and not just be a "phase".  Priests who make inquirers go through a longer process are more likely to stay.

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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2006, 08:53:31 PM »
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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2006, 09:26:05 PM »
You might as well drop it. Hell will freeze over before Nektarios ever admits he was wrong, and even more unlikely- actually apologises for something!
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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2006, 09:34:14 PM »
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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2006, 09:39:27 PM »
Hmmm. Your first reply to me was a bit hurtful if I'm honest and I did consider leaving because I just don't need that sort of reply. I'm not turning to the internet for spiritual advice, I'm just turning to the internet for the advice of other Orthodox people because I rarely meet with Orthodox people in my every day life. It doesn't mean I'm basing my faith around their replies. I don't mind being told I'm wrong etc but do you have to do it in such a harsh way? It may be a bit too British but I'm a strong believer in "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" and at the moment, not one of your posts has actually contained something welcoming, nice or even just polite. As far as I'm concerned, it's forgiven and forgotten because there's bigger things to worry about but just bear in mind that there's a person behind the username.
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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2006, 09:44:14 PM »
Wishing words like asshole were permitted on this board.

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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2006, 09:52:55 PM »
Wishing words like asshole were permitted on this board.

It might be if it were in Greek . . . let's see.

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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 02:40:12 PM »
Guess our filter is turned off. LOL.
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Re: 'Emergency' Christmation?
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2006, 06:57:33 AM »
[quote author=Νεκτάριος link=topic=9596.msg129086#msg129086 date=1153866810]
EDITED to take out an unchristian reply.  My apologies to the Troldhaugen and the board. 
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