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« on: July 23, 2006, 01:59:02 AM »

Just curious, Protestants most often say one thing, RC say another mostly, what is the proper way to say it and why, and what do you call it Orthodox Christians only please-
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2006, 02:16:22 AM »

Never thought about it, actually. But 'Communion' seems more used to me, by a wide margin.
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2006, 02:19:34 AM »

Probably a language thing, but "Eucharist" tends to refer to the actual Liturgy in the Greek Church, since "Eucharist" still literally means "Thanksgiving" in Greek.. Therefore, in Greek practice, when the Eucharistic Prayer is introduced (as I understand that it is still done in the RC Church), the dialogue goes:

Priest: Lift up your hearts.
People: We have lifted them up to the Lord.
Priest: Let us Eucharist (i.e. give thanks to) the Lord;
People: It is meet and right.

....and then begins the Eucharistic Prayer.

So the Liturgical Act of offering the Eucharist, tends to be called "Eucharist", since, linguistically, it is "the Lord" who is "Eucharist-ed"; and our receiving of the Gifts tends to be called "Communion".
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2006, 02:24:05 AM »

Makes perfect sense to me.  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2006, 02:25:48 AM »

[quote author=Αριστοκλής link=topic=9585.msg128781#msg128781 date=1153635382]
Never thought about it, actually. But 'Communion' seems more used to me, by a wide margin.
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Why not Holy Communion?
Why use the shortcut?
Just curious, not critical, but seriously- it smacks of irreverence. IMHO.
And Protestant heresy of demeaning it and not undersatanding the signifigance of it.
OK, IMHO.
Which on this one , is not humble I guess...
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2006, 02:30:20 AM »

Probably a language thing, but "Eucharist" tends to refer to the actual Liturgy in the Greek Church, since "Eucharist" still literally means "Thanksgiving" in Greek.. Therefore, in Greek practice, when the Eucharistic Prayer is introduced (as I understand that it is still done in the RC Church), the dialogue goes:

Priest: Lift up your hearts.
People: We have lifted them up to the Lord.
Priest: Let us Eucharist (i.e. give thanks to) the Lord;
People: It is meet and right.

....and then begins the Eucharistic Prayer.

So the Liturgical Act of offering the Eucharist, tends to be called "Eucharist", since, linguistically, it is "the Lord" who is "Eucharist-ed"; and our receiving of the Gifts tends to be called "Communion".

Great post!!! I agree, but my confusion lies in how the word "Communion" crept in since I think it undermines the whole thing into to much stress on the laity connection with it...
Or I have need of sleep again and am not thinking clearly now...
4 hours a night makes for a tierd soul...
Or stupid soul.
I don't like the way it sounds that's all. I am just wondering why......
Communion does not sound traditional in the sense here.....
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2006, 02:38:02 AM »

Why not Holy Communion?
In Greek, it is caled "Thea Koinonia" ("Divine Communion"), since, through our receiving (Gk: "Metalamvani") the Gifts, we Commune with the Divine and with the Body of Christ (The Church).
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2006, 02:46:48 AM »

I think you hit it on the head there.
My real issue is someone saying "I took ...
"I had...
Rather than saying " I recieved"...
Sorry cn't even spell (never could)
but I am amazed at the lack of reverence - OR am I too scupulous?
So funny coming from me...
But seriously- am I???
From an OC perspective?
RC is anything goes....
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2006, 02:55:15 AM »

In Greek, it is caled "Thea Koinonia" ("Divine Communion"), since, through our receiving (Gk: "Metalamvani") the Gifts, we Commune with the Divine and with the Body of Christ (The Church).

I think you have helped me decide about something else...
The Greek language is too important here- or - the important thing here-
I am thinking I should be in an Greek Parish.
Side note.
But, back on topic-
Why can't we all call it one thing and one thing only?
Why so many call it either/or?
No one will correct you if you chose either...
This just does not make sense...
Okay, I am OCD.. But - Huh
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2006, 02:59:31 AM »

Communion does not sound traditional in the sense here.....

But "Communion" (Gk: "Koinonia") is a Scriptural word.

We have communion  ("Koinonia") with Christ:
1 Corinthians 1:9: "God, who has called you into koinonia with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful."

Those who scandalize the Church through public sin should be corrected by exclusion from "Communion" with the Church:
1 Corinthians 5:2: "And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your koinonia the man who did this?"

And what's more, there were also "Communion Offerings" in the Old Testament (often translated as "Fellowship Offerrings")
So Communion is a very traditional word!
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2006, 03:11:47 AM »

Thank you again for your help in a question.
I had been wondering about this one for a while and never got a difinitive answer on it.
Prayers to all!
Thanks be to God.
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