I am appreciative that you desire to make distinctions between yourself and those who also call themselves Christians. It is not my duty to determine who among you are ‘more’ Christian than the other but merely to seek evidence of iman in your community.
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Kalispera mumin, welcome to our forum!
i afraid Kaminetz didnt try to make any distinctions or ask you to determine who is more Christian..Did he ask you if Sunni or Shi'a are more Muslim? You just happen to be in a Orthodoxos Community forum.
“Clear” appears to be a relative term here might you say? If it was truly so “clear” it wouldn’t have taken several hundred years to articulate the doctrine nor would it have taken multiple councils and schisms. No, my friend “clear” is not a word that I would use to describe bid’ah (innovation) of the Trinity. I am truly sorry but I can’t accept this term.
Counils and schism did not occur just for this subject. All Christians believe in God's triadic form
Paul warn the leaders of the church in Ephesus: "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves" (Acts 20:29-30).
And since you mentioned councils and schisms are you teeling me that everything in Islam is "clear" and in perfect harmony? That there are no Islamic religious denominations, each of which have significant theological and legal differences from each other?
Al-Quraan is very clear on this matter.
They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things." Al Ma'idah 5:72-76
Truly this is most grievous to do in Islam. It is Shirk. That which cannot be forgiven.
Daniel 7:13, 14
I kept looking in the night visions,
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming, And he came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.
And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations, and men of every language Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from ancient times.
Old Testament (Isaiah 40:3) says:
A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the Lord; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God."
New Testament (Matthew 3:1-2) says:
In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea, and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."
As soon as Jesus was baptised he came up from the water, and suddenly the heavens opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming down on him. And a voice spoke from heaven, “This is my Son, the Beloved; my favour rests on him”. Matthew 3, 13-17
Hated without reason: Psalms 69:4, 35:19, 109:3-5.... John.15:24-25.
- Ps 69:4 Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced to restore what I did not steal. (Ps.35:19, 109:3-5)
- Jn.15:23-25 He who hates me hates my Father as well. If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: "They hated me without reason."
Isa (Jesus) is a mighty Prophet of Allah but we see nothing that should elevate a creation of Allah to the status of Allah. Begotten-ness is not a characteristic of the eternal and thus it cannot be a characteristic of Allah.
In cristianity John the Baptist was our last prophet
Jesus was not a prophet: "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him" John 14:6-7
But long ago before Islam was formed, the apostles wrote what Jesus said about the prophets that will appear in times to come:
Matthew 7:15 - 23 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits. Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name and do mighty works in your name? And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you, depart from me you evildoers."
Matthew 24:11 - 13 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."