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I just read the Met. Herman was banned from religious practice at St. Tikhon's monastery. What does this mean? is he excommunicated? I don't want to stir up any debate, Just curious.
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2011, 11:10:41 PM » |
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I just read the Met. Herman was banned from religious practice at St. Tikhon's monastery. What does this mean? is he excommunicated? I don't want to stir up any debate, Just curious.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2011, 11:22:43 PM » |
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I found the article at Orthodox Wiki. http://orthodoxwiki.org/Herman_(Swaiko)_of_Washington_and_New_YorkOrthodox Wiki - Metropolitan Herman |
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2011, 11:23:51 PM » |
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It's also mentioned here: http://www.ocanews.org/news/NewsFromAroundtheOCA3.13.09.html"Metropolitan Jonah met with retired Metropolitan Herman. He informed +Herman at that time that the Synod had decided that +Herman was no longer blessed to serve at the monastery. Just as retired Metropolitan Theodosius is restricted to serving only in Canonsburg, PA; Metropolitan Herman is now only blessed to serve in Uniondale, some 16+ miles from St. Tikhon's. (The retired Metropolitan had served there as a parish priest in the 1960's.) +Herman was also informed that he was no longer blessed wear his white klobuk. An official announcement of both decisions is expected in the near future." Oh....how I despise those purple demons. |
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2011, 11:30:01 PM » |
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I just read the Met. Herman was banned from religious practice at St. Tikhon's monastery. What does this mean? is he excommunicated? I don't want to stir up any debate, Just curious.
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2011, 11:40:54 PM » |
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Why was Metropolitan Theodosius restricted to serving at that particular place? was he involved in some scandal as well?
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2011, 03:48:09 AM » |
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Metropolitan Theodosios was even more involved than was Metropolitan Herman, according to the Special Investigation(?) (SIC) Report. At the least, according to the report, the investigation revealed that he wholly abrogated his administrative responsibilities to the chancellor whom he empowered and who has since been unfrocked.
I imagine the SIC Report is available on "OCANews.org", perhaps the OCA's website, "oca.org".
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2011, 08:58:15 AM » |
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It's also mentioned here: http://www.ocanews.org/news/NewsFromAroundtheOCA3.13.09.html
"Metropolitan Jonah met with retired Metropolitan Herman. He informed +Herman at that time that the Synod had decided that +Herman was no longer blessed to serve at the monastery. Just as retired Metropolitan Theodosius is restricted to serving only in Canonsburg, PA; Metropolitan Herman is now only blessed to serve in Uniondale, some 16+ miles from St. Tikhon's. (The retired Metropolitan had served there as a parish priest in the 1960's.) +Herman was also informed that he was no longer blessed wear his white klobuk. An official announcement of both decisions is expected in the near future."
Oh....how I despise those purple demons.
Here's a photo I found at: http://www.acrod.org/multimedia/photos?setID=72157626166364105 Its the 5th photo down. Metropolitan Herman of the Orthodox Church in America paid his respects to Metropolitan Nicholas and offered a Panachida. The nuns of Holy Transfiguration Monastery sang the responses.And he's still wearing a white klobuk. Also found this: http://www.acrod.org/multimedia/photos?setID=72157626319630090The 4th photo down, is that Bishop Nikolai, standing between Archbishop Antony and Bishop Daniel? |
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2011, 09:35:52 AM » |
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It's also mentioned here: http://www.ocanews.org/news/NewsFromAroundtheOCA3.13.09.html
"Metropolitan Jonah met with retired Metropolitan Herman. He informed +Herman at that time that the Synod had decided that +Herman was no longer blessed to serve at the monastery. Just as retired Metropolitan Theodosius is restricted to serving only in Canonsburg, PA; Metropolitan Herman is now only blessed to serve in Uniondale, some 16+ miles from St. Tikhon's. (The retired Metropolitan had served there as a parish priest in the 1960's.) +Herman was also informed that he was no longer blessed wear his white klobuk. An official announcement of both decisions is expected in the near future."
Oh....how I despise those purple demons.
Here's a photo I found at: http://www.acrod.org/multimedia/photos?setID=72157626166364105 Its the 5th photo down. Metropolitan Herman of the Orthodox Church in America paid his respects to Metropolitan Nicholas and offered a Panachida. The nuns of Holy Transfiguration Monastery sang the responses.And he's still wearing a white klobuk. Metropolitan Herman may have had permission to do both (serve at CtS and wear a white klobuk) for the occasion. The restriction on serving was said to be temporary and might have been lifted or had its scope widened within the past two years. Best thing to do would be to drop a line with the picture link to somebody important, and let them deal with it. Also found this: http://www.acrod.org/multimedia/photos?setID=72157626319630090
The 4th photo down, is that Bishop Nikolai, standing between Archbishop Antony and Bishop Daniel?
It sure does look like Bishop Nikolai. However, I believe he is now under the jurisdiction of the Serbian Patriarchate so he can do whatever they allow him to do. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2011, 09:38:39 AM » |
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It's also mentioned here: http://www.ocanews.org/news/NewsFromAroundtheOCA3.13.09.html
"Metropolitan Jonah met with retired Metropolitan Herman. He informed +Herman at that time that the Synod had decided that +Herman was no longer blessed to serve at the monastery. Just as retired Metropolitan Theodosius is restricted to serving only in Canonsburg, PA; Metropolitan Herman is now only blessed to serve in Uniondale, some 16+ miles from St. Tikhon's. (The retired Metropolitan had served there as a parish priest in the 1960's.) +Herman was also informed that he was no longer blessed wear his white klobuk. An official announcement of both decisions is expected in the near future."
Oh....how I despise those purple demons.
Here's a photo I found at: http://www.acrod.org/multimedia/photos?setID=72157626166364105 Its the 5th photo down. Metropolitan Herman of the Orthodox Church in America paid his respects to Metropolitan Nicholas and offered a Panachida. The nuns of Holy Transfiguration Monastery sang the responses.And he's still wearing a white klobuk. Metropolitan Herman may have had permission to do both (serve at CtS and wear a white klobuk) for the occasion. The restriction on serving was said to be temporary and might have been lifted or had its scope widened within the past two years. Best thing to do would be to drop a line with the picture link to somebody important, and let them deal with it. Also found this: http://www.acrod.org/multimedia/photos?setID=72157626319630090
The 4th photo down, is that Bishop Nikolai, standing between Archbishop Antony and Bishop Daniel?
It sure does look like him. However, I believe he is now under the jurisdiction of the Serbian Patriarchate so he can do whatever they allow him to do. His Grace is still listed as a retired hierarch of the OCA: http://www.oca.org/HSindex.html |
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2011, 11:11:56 AM » |
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Yes, it was Bishop Nikolai. In that Archbishop Demetrios is the locum tenens of ACROD and was the presiding hierarch at the funeral services, it is obvious that the Bishop is not under any ecclesiastical sanction that would have prohibited his participation.
I was present at St. John's over the weekend. Bishop Nikolai was of student of Metropolitan Nicholas when the late Metropolitan was prefect of Christ the Saviour Seminary in Johnstown, PA and Bishop Nikolai was a student. He came to pay his respects and honor his teacher. I was introduced to him and he was polite and appeared to be very low key and he acted with appropriate humility. It was the first time I saw him since he was a Seminarian in the 1960's.
For those who were inquiring about his health here last week, the Bishop gave a brief eulogy on Sunday after offering a Panachida in which he noted that both he and the late Metropolitan had suffered from the same form of cancer, but that he, Bishop Nikolai, was doing well.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2011, 11:18:51 AM » |
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I can't imagine, even if someone was under an ecclesiastical sanction, that their hierarchs wouldn't allow them to come and pay their respects. It reminds me of family funerals, people you haven't seen in ages appear. Sadly, most of the time we only get to see some family members and friends when there are weddings and funerals.
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