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Offline Dismus

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Fasting/mortification
« on: July 10, 2006, 11:44:58 AM »
As the Orthodox fasting schedule is far and away different than the RCC fasting calandar it made me wonder if there are also different ways that fasting is looked at by both.
Does an Orthodox offer up these fastings for their own spriritual Theosis or can/do Orthodox also offer up these things in expiation for offenses against God, for the conversion of sinners, souls departed, the Church, etc.,,
Is this up to the individual?
I have in confession offered to take others penances along with my own to "help out the next guy in line",, can the Orthodox do this too?

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Re: Fasting/mortification
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2006, 11:53:53 AM »
As the Orthodox fasting schedule is far and away different than the RCC fasting calandar it made me wonder if there are also different ways that fasting is looked at by both.
Does an Orthodox offer up these fastings for their own spriritual Theosis or can/do Orthodox also offer up these things in expiation for offenses against God, for the conversion of sinners, souls departed, the Church, etc.,,
Is this up to the individual?
I have in confession offered to take others penances along with my own to "help out the next guy in line",, can the Orthodox do this too?

1.  Yes
2.  Yes...no to "expiation".
3.  Yes, fasting is up to the individual in the sense of general praxis, but this is more up to the individual under the guidance of one's father confessor/spritual father.
4.  I don't think so.

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Re: Fasting/mortification
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2006, 12:04:28 PM »
As the Orthodox fasting schedule is far and away different than the RCC fasting calandar it made me wonder if there are also different ways that fasting is looked at by both.
Does an Orthodox offer up these fastings for their own spriritual Theosis or can/do Orthodox also offer up these things in expiation for offenses against God, for the conversion of sinners, souls departed, the Church, etc.,,
Is this up to the individual?
I have in confession offered to take others penances along with my own to "help out the next guy in line",, can the Orthodox do this too?


Yes, Catholic and Orthodox fasting are dissimilar.
An Orthodox fasts to make a positive step towards defeating the passions. It's not exactly an offering, but more like the taking of spiritual vitamins.
Um, fasting is not an offering in this sense. We offer OURSELVES, His own of His own, and not our efforts as sacrifice.
We don't penance in the same way as what you might have experienced, but even then, no, b/c in it's essence (if not in practice) RCC penance is supposed to help the penitent by making them spend time in prayer--so "taking" someone else's penance won't do them any good, as it would take away the medicine that would help them get better.
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Re: Fasting/mortification
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2006, 07:02:22 PM »
It is also important to note that in the Orthodox Church one should not speak about Fasting without its two sisters Prayer and Almsgiving.  The churchfather's never note one without the other two in tow, they are a complete package. One without the other limits one's progress in fulling realizing Theosis and other spiritual progress. It goes beyond mortification to life changing.

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2006, 07:38:59 PM »
It is also important to note that in the Orthodox Church one should not speak about Fasting without its two sisters Prayer and Almsgiving.ÂÂ  The churchfather's never note one without the other two in tow, they are a complete package. One without the other limits one's progress in fulling realizing Theosis and other spiritual progress. It goes beyond mortification to life changing.

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Right on Thomas! You rock on this one!

"Fasting then, and lying on the bare ground, and keeping virginity, and a self denying life, these things bring their advantage to the persons themselves who do them; but those that pass from ourselves to our neighbors are almsgiving, teaching, charity. Hear then Paul in this matter also saying, 'Though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, I am nothing profiled" (St. John Chrysostom)

This was taken from the link Choirfriend... gave me earlier...
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