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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #225 on: August 24, 2006, 06:48:59 PM »
I'd fear the Greeks even when they bear gifts
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #226 on: August 24, 2006, 06:54:18 PM »
[quote author=Αριστοκλής link=topic=9421.msg133053#msg133053 date=1156459739]
I'd fear the Greeks even when they bear gifts
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #227 on: August 24, 2006, 06:56:58 PM »
[quote author=Αριστοκλής link=topic=9421.msg133053#msg133053 date=1156459739]
I'd fear the Greeks even when they bear gifts
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #228 on: August 24, 2006, 07:00:20 PM »
Like that huge hollow wooden cross we're building to donate to the Vatican?

LOL :D
I'm so glad to finally meet a Roman Catholic who doesn't offer me "peace" by trying tell to me that we are "one Church" and that The Body of Christ is divided.
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #229 on: August 24, 2006, 07:02:15 PM »
LOL :D
I'm so glad to finally meet a Roman Catholic who doesn't offer me "peace" by trying tell to me that we are "one Church" and that The Body of Christ is divided.
Its because the Body of Christ cannot be divided. We can agree on that. ;D
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #230 on: August 24, 2006, 07:03:57 PM »
No, it's clear from their printed statements that they mean the east in general, both Catholics and Orthodox.

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Oh, more of that "honey" stuff.  ;)
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #231 on: August 24, 2006, 07:25:17 PM »
[quote author=Αριστοκλής link=topic=9421.msg133067#msg133067 date=1156460637]
Oh, more of that "honey" stuff.  ;)
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #232 on: August 25, 2006, 08:15:54 AM »
Its because the Body of Christ cannot be divided. We can agree on that. ;D
If I didn't know any better I'd say your ecclessiology was Orthodox! :D
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #233 on: August 25, 2006, 08:59:39 AM »
If I didn't know any better I'd say your ecclessiology was Orthodox! :D

It is; he just doesn't want to admit it yet. ;)
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #234 on: August 25, 2006, 09:13:07 AM »
It is; he just doesn't want to admit it yet. ;)

Or at least it will be if he gives up on the 'True Church is comprised of all those in communion with Rome' stuff.

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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #235 on: August 25, 2006, 09:19:48 AM »
Or at least it will be if he gives up on the 'True Church is comprised of all those in communion with Rome' stuff.

Well, given that Constantinople is Rome, he can easily pull a GiC and make the switch, you know. :D
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #236 on: August 25, 2006, 09:47:15 AM »
Well, given that Constantinople is Rome, he can easily pull a GiC and make the switch, you know. :D
LOL!  :D

Seriously though, even if he doesn't "pull a GiC" I'm finding this refreshing. If there ever is to be a union between the Latin and Orthodox Churches, this is how we need to meet in dialogue- honestly and as rational beings, not in emotive clap-trap which seeks to sweep doctrinal differences under the carpet. I would prefer to dialogue with one Roman Catholic like "Papist" than with a thousand who say we should "just get together because we're making Jesus sad by dividing the Church." I'd rather face someone from the other side who is as prepared as I am to say "one of us is right and one of us is wrong", rather than "we're both right" (which denies the Singularity of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church), or "we're both wrong" (which denies the very existence of the Church Militant and sees it as some future reality).
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #237 on: August 25, 2006, 10:22:26 AM »
Yeah, I like him too  :o
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #238 on: August 25, 2006, 10:30:57 AM »
[quote author=Αριστοκλής link=topic=9421.msg132930#msg132930 date=1156441438]
Papist,

Then Pope John Paul II  apologized for WHAT? Please clue me in.

This is exactly the kind of junk I was referring to above.
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #239 on: August 25, 2006, 10:39:21 AM »
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #240 on: August 25, 2006, 10:45:41 AM »
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The Greek Villages in Calabria on the other hand is due for a visit.

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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #241 on: August 25, 2006, 10:52:58 AM »
Thats why I'll never visit Venice.

The Greek Villages in Calabria on the other hand is due for a visit.

Calabria's on my wish list too.
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #242 on: August 25, 2006, 11:40:31 AM »
A friend of mine was at a RCC in Chicago and heard a couple behind him speaking Greiko (the almost extinct Greek dialect of Calabria that is peppered with Italian words).

Does the EP have missions there to revive Orthodoxy? I know the GOC does. It must be interesting and difficult work.

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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #243 on: August 25, 2006, 12:01:46 PM »
We'll take the Evangelicals and mainlines.  Deal?

We've already started...my dad and his friends were a sizeable chunk back in '87.

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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #244 on: August 25, 2006, 02:06:01 PM »
We've already started...my dad and his friends were a sizeable chunk back in '87.
I heard of a group of evangelical Christians that were part of the non-denominational national collge Christian organization called intervarsity who all converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity. Of course I listen to a tape by an ex-Pentacostal minister. He and most of his congregation converted to the Catholic Church.
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #245 on: August 25, 2006, 02:23:55 PM »
I heard of a group of evangelical Christians that were part of the non-denominational national collge Christian organization called intervarsity who all converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity. Of course I listen to a tape by an ex-Pentacostal minister. He and most of his congregation converted to the Catholic Church.

Referring to the Evangelical Orthodox, the 2000 who converted to the Antiochian Orthodox all in one day?
Yes, well discussed here before.
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #246 on: August 25, 2006, 03:51:01 PM »
[quote author=Αριστοκλής link=topic=9421.msg133188#msg133188 date=1156530235]
Referring to the Evangelical Orthodox, the 2000 who converted to the Antiochian Orthodox all in one day?
Yes, well discussed here before.
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How silly of me to bring this up. I should have assumed that it would have been discussed in great detail on this forum. :) The only thing left for these converts to do is go all the way and come into communion with Rome. LOL. ;D
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #247 on: August 25, 2006, 10:06:20 PM »
How silly of me to bring this up. I should have assumed that it would have been discussed in great detail on this forum. :) The only thing left for these converts to do is go all the way and come into communion with Rome. LOL. ;D

Why? They are now in the Catholic Church - you might follow their lead.   ;)

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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #248 on: August 26, 2006, 02:10:49 AM »
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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #249 on: August 26, 2006, 02:27:21 AM »
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Why? They are now in the Catholic Church - you might follow their lead.   ;)

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Re: Why do so few Roman Catholics know about Hagia Sophia?
« Reply #250 on: August 26, 2006, 11:35:04 AM »
A friend of mine was at a RCC in Chicago and heard a couple behind him speaking Greiko (the almost extinct Greek dialect of Calabria that is peppered with Italian words).

Does the EP have missions there to revive Orthodoxy? I know the GOC does. It must be interesting and difficult work.

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Part of my mom's family (through marriage) is of this Greiko people. Until now, I did not understand how the Calabrian Italians in the family would say "we spoke a very different italian dialect which was actually Greek..." As far as I know, they are all Catholic but I've heard them mention something about some orthodox churches there...oh and many churches in Calabria and Sicily look exactly like orthodox churches, whereas when you go to northern italy, the churches are all gothic or romanesque.