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The Ottoman Empire could have defeated the non-weakened Byzantine Empire. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Regardless, the Empire would have fallen at some point in history and likely have had at least some parts controlled by very hostile to Hellenism powers. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š There is really no need to hold hostilities for an event 800 years in the past. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š
I am not sure about that Nektarios. The Byzantine empire in its prime fought and finally beat greater powers than the Ottoman empire. The persian empire. And not only that, but the Byzantine empire at the same time was holding off the slavs on its north-west borders
However the fall of the persian empire later resulted in the rise of the Arabs and Islam, but that is a different story..
Emperors such as Justinian, Herakleios, Vasileios II and others made the empire during their time the strongest in Europe, maybe in the world.
The rise of the Ottomans was a result of many factors.ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š The ottomans made their appearance towards the begining of the empire's decline. Princes that wanted the throne used Ottomans to fight with them and promised lands and gold. Later due to lack of manpower (result of stupid social and military decisions by some ignorant emperors), as the byzantine empire was hit from everywhere (latins, slavs, arabs and etc), they started buying "services" from every corner of europe and ofcource the ottomans who never said no in exchange for more knowledge, money and lands. As the empire was running out of money, they gave lands, and also taught the then nomad turks to become smarter and militarily trained.
As the empire was close to the end, the latins occupied aras of greece, the Turks where already "breading" genisaries (they took children under 4 years old from christian families raising them as Turks and muslems) in the ex-Byzantine lands of Minor Asia (so the Greeks losing Minor Asia did not have manpower), the Genoans and venetians controled the commercial ports and the greeks where fighting each other over to unify with the Pope (not because they believed in what the Pope standed for, but to to save their skin and city) or not!!! But they knew bad news was coming. they just had faith that walls and Theotokos will save them again. Anyway The Turks sought the opportunity and patiently worked towards the goal of concuring european lands and finally Constantinople.
If we had better emperors after Vasileios II, then i believe the 1204 sack would have never happend, and maybe turks would have still remained in turkmenistan.. Maybe yes, maybe not