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« on: June 19, 2006, 09:34:48 AM »

Episcopalians elect first female leader

In a historic decision that may lead to a schism with traditionalists, the Episcopal Church on Sunday elected the first woman to lead a national church in the worldwide Anglican communion.

Nevada Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori, 52, who was born in Pensacola, was elected to a nine-year term as presiding bishop and chief pastor of the deeply divided denomination.

She is part of the church's liberal majority and in 2003 favored the deeply controversial ordination of New Hampshire Bishop Gene Robinson, the first openly gay Episcopal bishop. She also supports church blessings for same-sex unions.

http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060619/NEWS01/606190318/1006

26th Presiding Bishop elected by House of Bishops

[Episcopal News Service] Katharine Jefferts Schori, bishop of the Diocese of Nevada, has been elected June 18 by the House of Bishops as the 26th Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church. The House of Deputies is discussing a resolution to confirm the election, as is required by church canons. ENS will post more information after that vote.

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/3577_76109_ENG_HTM.htm

BACKROOM POLITICS GOT WOMAN BISHOP ELECTED PRESIDING BISHOP

By David W. Virtue

COLUMBUS, OH: (6/19/2006)--The election of Nevada Bishop Katharine Schori to the post of Presiding Bishop was engineered by Los Angeles Bishop J. Jon Bruno, when Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold reneged on "significant funding" he promised Bruno in his lawsuit against St. James, Newport Beach to retake the parish.

St. James and four other parishes had fled The Episcopal Church over the national church's rejection of the authority of Scripture and the moral decline of the church reflected in the consecration of New Hampshire Bishop V. Gene Robinson.

VirtueOnline was told that Schori was brokered in by a cabal of West Coast bishops, liberal bishops who hated Griswold, and a number of conservative bishops who wanted to make it clear to the Anglican Communion that the Episcopal Church was hell bent and would never repent or do a U-turn away from its revisionist agenda. They wanted to make it crystal clear where the church was heading, and a vote for Schori would do it.

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4287
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2006, 10:10:54 AM »

Actually, this may result in some of the disaffected members coming into the Orthodox community. I do not know whether this is good or bad.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2006, 10:16:34 AM »

I think it is more likely that they will probably move to the more conservative branches of the Anglican Church in America.  In any event, I think they are headed towards their own schism.

I actually read an article about this in my paper (en route to the office) and they mentioned the RCC and OC as being "more traditional" in not ordaining women.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2006, 10:26:49 AM »

You've got to feel for these people.
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2006, 10:41:17 AM »

I think it is more likely that they will probably move to the more conservative branches of the Anglican Church in America.ÂÂ  In any event, I think they are headed towards their own schism.

I actually read an article about this in my paper (en route to the office) and they mentioned the RCC and OC as being "more traditional" in not ordaining women.

Who knows? Maybe some will go to the Continuing Anglicans, but I imagine others will come to the Orthodox churches.

The particularly difficult bit about this election is that it will likely produce especially divisive confusion, since this newly elected Bishop stands for three distinct controversial issues in the world-wide Anglican communion: (a) ordination of women to the episcopacy; (b) ordination of active and openly practicing gay people to the episcopacy; (c) ecclesial blessing of same-sex unions.

Some Episcopalians/Anglicans may only oppose one or two of those things, but they will be forced to oppose all of them -- or at least painted in broad strokes.

Schism seems almost imminent...although I thought the same thing when Gene Robinson was elected.

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Which reminds me of a joke I heard from a priest up in New Hampshire:

Q: Why can't Episcopalians win at chess?
A: Because they can't tell the difference between a Queen and a Bishop.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2006, 11:25:13 AM »

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A: Because they can't tell the difference between a Queen and a Bishop.

Man, Keble is going to be on your butt in about 3 minutes! Watch out!  I actually am curious what he will say if he chooses to comment.

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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2006, 11:29:57 AM »

Man, Keble is going to be on your butt in about 3 minutes! Watch out!

It's just a joke. (Is he a defender of Gene Robinson's appointment?)

I actually am curious what he will say if he chooses to comment.

I am too. I would hope he comments on the actual news.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2006, 11:34:25 AM »

Man, Keble is going to be on your butt in about 3 minutes! Watch out!ÂÂ


Not to be rude, but....

Given that one of the divisive issues in the Episcopal church is the homosexual issue, including the openly gay bishop in New Hampshire...

couldn't you have had a different choice of words for your prediction of Keble's reaction?ÂÂ  Cheesy
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2006, 11:45:08 AM »

 Shocked Shocked Shocked  Now, that was funny!!!  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2006, 11:48:49 AM »

Not to be rude, but....

couldn't you have had a different choice of words for your prediction of Keble's reaction?  Cheesy

Seems your quotation, chris, will preserve this choice of words, perhaps beyond admin's editing...teehee  Cheesy
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2006, 12:44:54 PM »

Well, I'm off to Harvard Div in a few minutes. I wonder what kind of celebrations might be going on over at the Div school or in Cambridge in general. Update when I get back.

(I think I'll drive by Episcopal Divinity School as well)
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2006, 02:09:20 PM »

Who knows? Maybe some will go to the Continuing Anglicans, but I imagine others will come to the Orthodox churches.


Rather an interesting comment from the following weblog:

http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2006/06/woman_scientist.html

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Although I have no problem with gays being accepted totally in the Episcopal church, having consecrated one as a bishop is ignoring the Anglican communion's sensibilities and said to the world, "In your face." The first Episcopal bishop in Massachusetts hadn't even graduated from a seminary (despite having passed her canonicals) which was another "in your face" item and now the PB as a woman is the same thing. Membership in the Episcopal church USA has been decreasing of late and this movement will be another nail in the coffin of its connexion with the Anglican Communion. Most likely it will mark the schism feared. This is not the church I joined, and I plan to join the Greek Orthodox. This is the final step of telling the Anglican Communion to go fly a kite.


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So, some are thinking of this. If anyone leaves the Episcopal Church, I think they are much more likely to swim the Tiber or become Lutheran than to swim the Dardanelles.

Hopefully, though, those that do come to us do so not because they are angry but because they feel this is the right place for them.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2006, 02:27:00 PM »

Well, on the same page I read the article about the female Bishop, there was a very interesting article about Presbyterians. http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyJmZnYmVsN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2OTUwNDk1

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Another bill that could prompt intense debate would encourage gender-neutral worship language for the divine Trinity -- for instance "Mother, Child and Womb" -- alongside the traditional "Father, Son and Holy Spirit."
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2006, 02:34:43 PM »

So, some are thinking of this. If anyone leaves the Episcopal Church, I think they are much more likely to swim the Tiber or become Lutheran than to swim the Dardanelles.

The Episcopal Church, by this action, is showing the Anglican world that they march to their own drum.  I personally think more, if they choose to leave, would turn to Rome, since Rome does allow for an Anglican Rite.  I did read, that this may be the straw to break the camel's back.  Some are saying enough talk and more action.  I wonder in ecumenical services will the Orthodox refuse to take part if the new presiding bishop attends.
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2006, 04:39:14 PM »

Keble was not for the G. Robin. consecration but did not believe a schism would result as many here predicted.

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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2006, 07:51:28 PM »

Hopefully, though, those that do come to us do so not because they are angry but because they feel this is the right place for them.

This is a good point to be made, we really have no place for a bunch of disenfranchised protestants. If they want to abandon their customs and truly convert to the Orthodox Church, great. But if they're going to insist on keeping their protestant ways, mindset, and/or other baggage, Rome is more than welcome to them.

The Episcopal Church, by this action, is showing the Anglican world that they march to their own drum.ÂÂ  I personally think more, if they choose to leave, would turn to Rome, since Rome does allow for an Anglican Rite.ÂÂ  I did read, that this may be the straw to break the camel's back.ÂÂ  Some are saying enough talk and more action.ÂÂ  I wonder in ecumenical services will the Orthodox refuse to take part if the new presiding bishop attends.

Once women are ordained priests, the progression to Bishop and eventually Primate is a logical one. Most people who were going to object to the ordination of women left when the ECUS ordained women to the priesthood, this will make no substantial impact. The more recent issue that may have an impact is her support of homosexual clergy and same-sex marriage.
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« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2006, 09:44:25 PM »

If the Episcopalians have hierarchical services, how would they address this woman?  Since she is their Primate, would they say "Most Blessed Mistress, bless!"  or if they sing "Many Years" to her would it be "Eis polla epi Despotina" ?  Just wondering.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2006, 11:38:51 PM »

Well, you know, unlike in the Orthodox hierarchical services I've been to, Anglican bishops do follow the script. So you can look it up in a BCP, if you're really interested.
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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2006, 11:41:23 PM »

Does anyone know what music the orchestra was playing while the Titanic was sinking?
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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2006, 11:57:17 PM »

Man, Keble is going to be on your butt in about 3 minutes! Watch out!  I actually am curious what he will say if he chooses to comment.

Well, I'd start by saying that the use of "queen" here was, in the immortal words of Slappy Squirrel, "tactless, yet rude".

I'm still trying to get a reading on this. You can basically disbelieve Virtue's "behind the scenes" stuff-- Bishop Bruno? Huh I don't think so. I think there are simple, non-conspiratorial (but a little surprising) explanations for her elections. The real news in this that it fits into a general pattern over the past three days of the "fudge" plan falling apart. The liberal-to-moderate plan was obviously and clearly to make a response to the Windsor Report demands that sounded good enough to claim being in compliance, while at the same time not angering the homosexual lobby too much. This is now starting to fall apart. Bp Lee of Virginia, who I viewed as a fudge maker ("Schism is worse than heresy" is a direct quote), has now come out for the key conservative demand, and on terms which are certainly unacceptable to the other side: on Friday he called for a moratorium on consecrations of homosexuals and on gay unions "until there is a consensus".

So Sunday comes around and all of a sudden we find ourselves with a PB-elect who is not only very liberal (and unusually young and inexperienced for the post), but is also a woman. The liberal spin on this is that now the homosexuals are better protected because to attack her is to attack women in genreal, who are better tolerated. Well, yeah, except that (a) this theory isn't true in the communion at large, (b) the C of E is at present going through its own battle over dealing with ordained women-- especially bshops-- and (c) now the rest of the communion has something else to be mad at us about. Rowan Williams' official statement, couched extremely elliptically and yet utterly clearly, essentially said "congratulations on your new PB. And incidentally, you've just made my job ten times harder, and there's no way I'll guarantee that the rest of the communion is going to stand for this."

The chance of a split in PECUSA has risen dramatically. Incidentally, just to warn our admins: almost every major conservative Anglican blog has been driven into the ground at least once today by sheer traffic. They've resorted to making back-up blogs n blogspot in order to be able to keep going. I don't know how the liberal blogs keep going, but maybe it's because nobody wants to read them.  Grin
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2006, 01:09:55 AM »

Does anyone know what music the orchestra was playing while the Titanic was sinking?
Folklore says it was "Nearer my God to Thee"
see: http://www.snopes.com/history/titanic/lastsong.asp

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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2006, 01:55:05 AM »

Folklore says it was "Nearer my God to Thee"
see: http://www.snopes.com/history/titanic/lastsong.asp

Appropriate, that was also the song that greeted the noble commrades of our fallen heros who returned from charging the yankee centre south of gettysburg on that fateful day.
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2006, 02:51:48 AM »

The Anglican Church in England has women priest. it won't be long be for England see it first women Bishop or it's first  women archbishop of cantaberry. it is a shame to see these two churches go against the canon Laws of the Seven Ecumenical Councils. I won't be surprized if most of the people in the Episcopal Church, leave and come in to the Orthodox Church. Grin
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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2006, 02:56:27 AM »

Since she is their Primate, would they say "Most Blessed Mistress, bless!"  or if they sing "Many Years" to her would it be "Eis polla epi Despotina" ?  Just wondering.  Roll Eyes
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"Despina" was also my Mother`s name (after the Theotokos), and my Father`s name was "Sotiris" ("Saviour") after Christ.
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The Anglican Church in England has women priest. it won't be long be for England see it first women Bishop or it's firstÂÂ  women archbishop of cantaberry. it is a shame to see these two churches go against the canon Laws of the Seven Ecumenical Councils. I won't be surprized if most of the people in the Episcopal Church, leave and come in to the Orthodox Church. Grin

There are no canons of the Seven Oecumenical Synods that forbid the ordination of women. Roll Eyes

And, quite frankly, we Orthodox have enough of our own problems without having to harbour disgruntled protestants; I suggest they stay and try to improve their lot by working within their church.
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2006, 03:01:09 AM »

it is a shame to see these two churches go against the canon Laws of the Seven Ecumenical Councils.
Could you tell me which Canons?
 For an explanation of why I ask, here are 60 pages to read on the issue: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=8894.0 Wink
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2006, 03:05:07 AM »

And, quite frankly, we Orthodox have enough of our own problems without having to harbour disgruntled protestants;
And unfortunately, I think we do....quite often....
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  I suggest they stay and try to improve their lot by working within their church.

But if one truly believes their bishops are going against the Traditions of the church, then they must flee from these bishops and flock to an "orthodox" hierarchy.
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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2006, 08:50:01 AM »

And, quite frankly, we Orthodox have enough of our own problems without having to harbour disgruntled protestants; I suggest they stay and try to improve their lot by working within their church.

That's a little unfair. What makes you think that these 'disgruntled Protestants' haven't been considering a move to Orthodoxy for quite some time but have only felt pushed to actually do so by the proverbial last straw? At my first parish in England we had an extremely good deacon who had left the Anglican church after they started ordaining women. I noted no obvious Protestant baggage, no particular problems at all. He was one of the most reasonable and non-disgruntled converts I've yet come across and, whilst I never talked to him about it specifically, I have no reason to believe that he hadn't already been considering Orthodoxy long before he was finally 'kicked' to leave Anglicanism. I'm sure a fair proportion of any Anglicans who wish to come to us over the current issues will be the same (though there will almost certainly be some who are converting for the wrong reasons too). It's certainly not unusual for those of us who are converts to have spent a long time (quite often years) investigating the Church before making the commitment to convert and quite often the last stage requires some kind of a push. I was one of those and though in my case the 'kick in the backside' came through my family rather than my previous confession, I would rather see the positives in any conversion until shown otherwise, not automatically assume the worst.

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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2006, 09:39:34 AM »

And, quite frankly, we Orthodox have enough of our own problems without having to harbour disgruntled protestants

Why did you, then, convert?  Are you saying you had no bones of contention with your former Calvinist communion before coming into the Orthodox Church?

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« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2006, 09:44:49 AM »

Former high-church Episcopalians have been a substantial part of the Orthodox convert boomlet as long as there has been a boomlet, about 20 years. I don't think the latest news will change that - the stream will simply continue and won't become a torrent. A reason it won't grow is not all Episcopalians are Orthodox-like - many are more Protestant and will join conservative congregations and denominations elsewhere.

I remember reading somewhere that in fact most of the convert Antiochians were Episcopal, not evangelical.

And this part of the phenom makes sense because as Roman Catholic as they may have seemed as Episcopalians, many of these high churchmen already had much in common with the Orthodox, defining themselves as anti-papal and appealing to the content and authority of the church fathers for their views.

As for the Anglican Communion, ISTM the Episcopal Church is spiting the rest of the Communion and getting ready to leave or be thrown out, presenting itself as a global church unto itself (actually just the US and a few missionary plants in other countries). It will eventually merge with the other white upper-middle-class liberal Protestant churches, disappearing as a distinct group (they never were that big in America anyway, only influential because of social class), and continue to shrink as that class has less and less interest in religion.

Something similar will happen in England when the Anglican Church is disestablished.

There may be a new Anglican province in America, maybe the current AMiA, officially replacing ECUSA in the Communion.

I have to admire Rowan Williams' integrity even though I don't like his liberal views. He's putting those views aside to try to do what he thinks is his job, that is, serve the Global South Anglicans as well as the liberal North, even unto chucking out ECUSA even though he personally may agree with them. Trying to be impartial.

Pruning ECUSA he may save the Communion - for now.

But I believe that without state coercion the Elizabethan compromise doesn't work and the four Anglicanisms - Catholic, Central, Low and Broad (liberal) - naturally will separate from each other.

greekischristian seems to have created an online character cleverly mixing a couple of kinds of thought he has found among the Greek Orthodox (not representing official teaching and probably not speaking for a majority but those currents apparently are there): both liberal ('Hey, why not women priests?' - I've heard nominal, probably badly catechised Orthodox say that in person) and ethnocentric ('Hellas! Hurrah!' - the lodge mentality). Hence the deliberately nasty, off-putting remarks about 'disgruntled protestants'.

• 'Disgruntled' - 'You don't go along with the American mainstream like like many of us Greeks so I'm pathologising you.'
• 'Protestants' - 'Again, you aren't of our ethne, our tribe, so I don't want you here. (But if you were Greek and held liberal or Protestant views I'd welcome you.) And I may possibly know that many of you don't consider yourselves Protestants - if I know that then I'm being deliberately hurtful. Ho-pah!' (Sound of breaking dishes here.)

Very funny.
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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2006, 09:48:48 AM »

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(But if you were Greek and held liberal or Protestant views I'd welcome you.)

I thought that was a good post Serge, but I would remark that I do believe the approach would be as you say, but the result the opposite: my Protestant friend Mike, whom you met once, has actually been called "not Greek" because he is Protestant!

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greekischristian seems to have created an online character cleverly mixing a couple of kinds of thought he has found among the Greek Orthodox (not representing official teaching and probably not speaking for a majority but those currents apparently are there): both liberal ('Hey, why not women priests?' - I've heard nominal, probably badly catechised Orthodox say that in person) and ethnocentric ('Hellas! Hurrah!' - the lodge mentality). Hence the deliberately nasty, off-putting remarks about 'disgruntled protestants'

No, no, no. As someone who has known GiC personally for 3 years now, I must say you've got it largely wrong. GiC likes extremism. He likes controversy. He likes arguments and brashness and shock value. Period. Within this context, he especially likes to take a theoretically principled and elitist stand for the once-great-but-now-subjugated underdog. (Oh, and he laughs...A LOT).

It has very little to do with some kind of over-arching conviction, especially not ethnocentrism (he's a WASP with a gun). In fact, if the EP were actually extremely powerful, not persecuted and embraced by the majority of Americans (especially Northerners), he would probably be its greatest opponent. (Not to say he isn't right on some things, this one, i.e. the EP, included!)
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Anastasios, that could be because of church membership ('not a nominal member of our church = not Greek anymore') and nothing to do with one's views (that is, one could hold liberal or Protestant views but be a member of a Greek church and thus still be 'Greek').

pensateomnia, thanks. I get it. Adopting the cause of the once-great underdog is part of this person's online pose/game.
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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2006, 10:12:40 AM »

Excellent summary of GiC, PensaT!

Honestly, folks---GiC is someone who just 'stirs up the pot' because in his warped and twisted fashion he enjoys observing the reaction, using the controversy to feed his ego.

Normally he's a good and gentle guy, always ready to help anyone who needs it and a good conversationalist, but he is an example of how net-Orthodox are not the same as in-person Orthodox.
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Honestly, folks---GiC is someone who just 'stirs up the pot' because in his warped and twisted fashion he enjoys observing the reaction, using the controversy to feed his ego.

Isn't that the definition of a troll?
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Isn't that the definition of a troll?

Yep.
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pensateomnia, thanks. I get it. Adopting the cause of the once-great underdog is part of this person's online pose/game.

No. It's not just online, and it's certainly not a game. It's just a function of personality/intellectual convictions.

I was deconstructing GiC in a certain sense, but I certainly wasn't trying to deride him, nor to dismiss his POV offhand.

It would help a lot if you knew how GiC speaks in person. I can always hear him saying what he types, and I imagine the ability to do so would make no small degree of difference in everyone else's perception.

As far as the actual topic of this thread goes, I imagine you're right: There will not be a big influx of Episcopals into the Orthodox Church. (I imagine most of those who lean in Orthodox directions theologically and spiritually would have left long ago!) Considering how Gene Robinson didn't produce any schism, however, I rather doubt the election of this Primate will do so itself. You see, the confusion is happening already. She, as a woman and person, is certainly no more scandalous than things that have happened already. The important question (as far as schism goes) is not her election or her as person, but what she decides to do/where she leads the church in the future.
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My former Spiritual Father, now a Bishop in HOCNA, told me when I was seeking to enter the OCA, that I should not bring any hatred I might have for the Catholic Church.  Also, Bishop Kallistos said something on the lines that he was grateful to the Anglican Church, because of what direction they were going, this lead him to the Orthodox Church.
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Anastasios, that could be because of church membership ('not a nominal member of our church = not Greek anymore') and nothing to do with one's views (that is, one could hold liberal or Protestant views but be a member of a Greek church and thus still be 'Greek').

Very good distinction. If you are a Protestant/liberal in mind but go to "St Sophia's" on Sunday you're ok! Wink

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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2006, 10:37:30 AM »

This from the "Concord Monitor," up in New Hampshire, which has actually been on Robinson's case since he hit the scene:

Episcopal leaders apologize for Robinson pain ÂÂ
Today, they debate future gay bishops ÂÂ


By ANNMARIE TIMMINS
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June 20. 2006 8:00AM

 
Episcopal clergy and lay leaders agreed yesterday to apologize for the pain New Hampshire Bishop Gene Robinson's 2003 election caused the worldwide church, but not before watering it down. Instead of apologizing for breaking the bonds with their Anglican counterparts, clergy and lay leaders would say only that they had strained those bonds.

They also debated a moratorium on the election of future gay bishops at their national convention in Columbus, Ohio, but ran out of time before they could vote. They are expected to take up that question again today.

Robinson, the church's first openly gay bishop, declined comment through church spokesman Mike Barwell last night. Barwell said Robinson, who this week publicly objected to the proposed moratorium, has a new policy of not commenting on pending legislation. (The apology still faces a vote among the church's bishops.)

The apology and the proposed moratorium are being considered this week at the request of the Anglican Communion, a loose collection of worldwide churches that includes the American Episcopal Church. While the individual countries and dioceses enjoy much independence, they consider themselves one church. Robinson's election angered many in America and beyond who believe scripture condemns homosexuality.
 
 
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You've got to feel for these people.
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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2006, 10:46:36 AM »

One more article. I found this one rather interesting, especially the bolded parts. First, she has not been working in ministry for very long at all! I must agree with Keble that she seems far too young and inexperienced for such an important posistion. Second, how do conservative Episcopals who object to even the ordination of women to the priesthood -- as recorded in the story! -- justify staying in the communion? Bizarre. When I was a kid, my family was actually part of the San Joaquin diocese, so I had no idea the Episcopal church had female priests, much less bishops! I wonder what my old parish priest is up to nowadays.

Episcopal Leader Calls for Move Past Gay Debate
As Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori makes clear her priorities, some conservatives see her selection to lead the U.S. church as divisive.

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June 20, 2006

Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori of Nevada, who was elected Sunday as the first woman to lead the U.S. Episcopal Church, says it's time to put away the divisive issue of homosexuality and move on to the urgent mission of ministering to people in need.

"Our primary emphasis needs to be feeding people, educating children and looking for healthcare for everybody," Jefferts Schori, 52, said in a telephone interview Monday from Columbus, Ohio, where representatives of the 2.3-million-member denomination are holding their annual convention.
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But even as Jefferts Schori called on the church to move past the issue of gay priests and same-sex marriage, her election has put a new strain on a church wrestling with its identity and mission in recent years.

An oceanographer who studied squids and octopuses in the northeastern Pacific Ocean before going into the ministry in 1994, Jefferts Schori is considered a progressive. She supported the consecration three years ago of V. Gene Robinson, who is openly gay, as bishop of New Hampshire. She also has endorsed same-sex union rites in Nevada.

Jefferts Schori succeeds the Most Rev. Frank T. Griswold on Nov. 1 and will be invested at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C., three days later.

The archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev. Rowan Williams, leader of the worldwide Anglican Communion of which the Episcopal Church is a part, said in a statement Monday that the presiding bishop-elect had his "prayers and good wishes as she takes up a deeply demanding position at a critical time."

But at the same time, he noted that "her election will undoubtedly have an impact on the collegial life of the Anglican Primates, and it also brings into focus some continuing issues in several of our ecumenical dialogues."

Primates are archbishops of national Anglican churches or provinces.

In the U.S., Jefferts Schori's elevation was criticized by conservatives but hailed by liberals.

Conservatives said her election is another example of the U.S. church's departure from Scripture and from other provinces in the worldwide Anglican Communion.

"We feel sorrow for her, as she inherits the tragedy of a fractured church that has lost its sense of mission and lost touch with its grass roots," said the Rev. Canon David Anderson, president of the Atlanta-based American Anglican Council. "What signal does this choice send to the faithful in the pew and to the Anglican Communion worldwide? The election of Presiding Bishop-elect Jefferts Schori only intensifies the current trajectory of the Episcopal Church."

He also noted that her election would present problems for those who do not recognize the ordination of female priests.

Three Episcopal dioceses, including San Joaquin in California, do not ordain women. Of the 38 provinces of the 77-million-member Anglican Communion, only three — the United States, Canada and New Zealand — have female bishops.

Jefferts Schori, a licensed pilot married to a mathematician, said that during her adult life she has worked in fields where men made up the senior leadership.

She recalled that the first time she became chief scientist on an oceanography project, the captain wouldn't speak to her.

On Monday, many church members hailed her election.

"Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori is one of the most intelligent, dynamic and well-educated woman I have ever met," said the Rt. Rev. J. Jon Bruno, bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles.

"She has a heart of compassion, a spirit of grace and the way to deal with our issues by relationships," Bruno said from Columbus. Donn Morgan, president and dean of Church Divinity School of the Pacific in Berkeley, where Jefferts Schori received her master's degree in divinity in 1994, said he believes Jefferts Schori "can and will make a positive difference for the Episcopal Church … as it addresses the many issues which presently divide it."

"I am proud of the church for electing Katharine to this important position," Morgan said in an e-mail. "Katharine is, on the one hand, a careful and rigorous thinker who doesn't accept easy and simplistic answers to difficult questions and issues. On the other hand, Katharine is an open and gracious colleague who sees and covets the value of cooperation and collaboration. All of her actions seem to be characterized by patience, tolerance and a very strong will or desire to move forward together."

Jefferts Schori describes her administrative style as "relational," though when necessary she can be confrontational.

Her journey as "a person of faith and a trained scientist, begun in some struggle over how to understand the two of them together," she said.

As she read the works of great scientists such as Albert Einstein, she realized that scientists also "delighted in the rich mysteriousness" of all creation.

Science and theology are both ways of looking at the wonder and mystery of God's work, she said. "Scientists look to understand it. Theologians and people of faith look to understand the meaning behind life. I don't see why there needs to be a conflict."

The bishop-elect said she is "awed and humbled by" the election and that she will be on her knees praying a lot.

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Interesting 'apology' as an exercise in condescension: 'We're sorry that you're upset' (but not for what we did).
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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2006, 12:29:22 PM »

The report from the Concord Monitor is premature. As far as I know---

(scurries off to check the GC website)

--- none of the resolutions in question have been made final. It is abundantly clear that from the ends there is intense frustration, if not outright anger, at a fudging process that is intent on trying to find the precise balance between pretending to do what the WR says and not actually making any commitment to follow its directions.

(For those who came in late: the "Windsor Report" was put together as an official "what does PECUSA have to do in order to have a chance at patching things up with everyone else?" It does not say "admit that ordaining Robinson was completely wrong", but it does call for certain expressions of regret and for consultations before progressing further.)

The liberal vanguard resents apologizing for something they do not feel was in any way wrong; the traditionalists want, at the very least, some honesty about what the church has done. The moderates are starting to come apart too, because the people who have been saying that "schism is worse than heresy" (perhaps the most unOrthodox sentiment possible)  are now being to think (correctly, IMO) that whatever they do, they will have schism. the mood right now is extremely volatile, and Schori's election has rattled those who thought that GC was on the road to a plausible compromise.
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