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« on: June 18, 2006, 02:57:32 AM »

Today, I bought an autographed copy of a Raze CD at a pawn shop for a dollar and fifty cents, to see how much I could sell it for on Amazon. Wondering whatever happened to Raze, I looked them up on the internet and found this:

Raze Founder Released on Bail
By Lindy Warren and April Hefner

Ja’Marc Davis, founder of ForeFront Records dance-pop group Raze, is scheduled to face a preliminary hearing on molestation charges May 4 in a Tulsa County, Okla., court...
http://www.ccmmagazine.com/features/1451.aspx

Ja'Marc Davis sentenced to 5 years in minimum security prison
from the Tulsa World newspaper

Former Forefront artist Ja'Marc Davis of the group Raze was sentenced Tuesday to five years in a minimum security facility in Oklahoma for sexual offenses against a 14-year-old former backup dancer for the group...
http://www.cmcentral.com/news/99.html


This got me wondering; how Christian are Christian bands in their personal lives? Do they really serve as role models or a real alternative to secular music?
This reminds me of all the stories I heard about Stryper.

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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2006, 12:32:30 PM »

Not very.
doesn't put a mind into a worshipful mood
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2006, 12:43:29 PM »

The same presumably applies to all works of Christian art. Does a piece of music, painting or sculpture raise our mind and heart to God? If the answer is yes then does the personal morality of the artist have any relevance? Mozart, Verdi, Rachmanninov  all wrote great sacred music but were not without spot or blemish, we are all sinners, so should we look at the sinfulness of the sinner or the beautiful products of their God given talents?

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2006, 04:14:52 PM »

Its about as Orthodox as I am turkish Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2006, 06:30:46 PM »

+ Irini nem ehmot,

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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2006, 09:05:59 PM »

I just think that Christian artists are looked up to as role models much more than their secular counterparts.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2006, 09:21:21 PM »

+ Irini nem ehmot,

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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2006, 09:11:49 PM »

Bang!

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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2006, 09:19:46 PM »

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How Christian is Christian Rock?

Probably about as Christian as Orthodox discussion boards and Catholic books and Evangelical magazines. You take from these things what you can, or want, or need, and leave the rest for others to consider.

Some Christian rock/metal lyrics from randomly picked songs of the three CM bands I enjoy the most:

"and I, left to myself can only hope to survive.
and I, left to myself can only slowly die.
but given grace I know I can,
given grace I can learn to forgive.
in the face of all of this.
given grace I can truly live." - Six Feet Deep, Broken Tree

"Your ship has crashed no sign of shore-to sit in your lifeboat-you can do no more
5 days at sea starved to the core-lifeboat is leaking-a rip in the floor

But wait-on the horizon-land-land hoe!
will you sit there and pray-or will you get up and row?
The next time you are quick to say 'I’m just waitin’ on the Lord'
just make sure that you remember where we all have been before" - Tourniquet, If Pigs Could Fly

"I tried to cry out from the inside,
but I guess my soul did not pour itself out enough
Blood on the walls, flaming black, blood on the walls,
I saw you staring through the cracks
No one was to know what was happening in me I felt no love,
I felt no reason to carry on with my life
Everything was wrong, nothing was right, at least that is what I thought
Kids finding laughter at my expense
They were killing me on the inside they couldn't give up their pride
My heart was bleeding from so much grieving
On the outside I looked fine,
you couldn't tell but on the inside was eternal hell
I got caught up in the moment of depression,
and before I knew it my bodywas lying on the ground
With a gun in my hand my hourglass was out of sand
Thanks to all the people who drove me to death
Without you I could of never ended my breath
Through your anger and hate, I was able to choose my fate
There was a way out, but I chose the easy route
Blast of a gun, breath runs out, final thoughts put to extinction
No more pain, no more love,
for you have chosen suicide as the way out... help them" - Underoath, Act of Depression
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2006, 12:53:38 PM »

How Christian is Christian rock?  Probably more Christian than non-Christian rock I'd say.  I quit listening to it back when the non-Christian stuff was more appealing.  The stuff they tend to play on Christian radio stations has always made me want to puke.  However, I've listened to some of the newer stuff recently and I like it fairly well.

I remember getting into this sort of discussion back when I was a kid at an evangelical church camp.  My argument then was that music could neither save a person nor condemn them to hell.  It's all about how you let it affect you.  My argument now would be to take it a step further.  Be that as it may, we should be constantly vigilant of everything we allow into our lives.  Garbage in is garbage out, after all.

So, if given a choice between secular rock and Christian rock (given that they are of an equally appealing musical quality), I'd most likely listen to the Christian rock.  Ideally though, I should try to get past the need for that sort of entertainment in my life anyway. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2006, 02:06:29 AM »

If you are looking for truly spiritual, God-centered and entertaining music, I'd have to recommend Live at Stubbs by Matisyahu.

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2006, 09:15:53 AM »

If you are looking for truly spiritual, God-centered and entertaining music, I'd have to recommend Live at Stubbs by Matisyahu.

Peace.

I would recommend Spem  in Alium a 40 part motet by Thomas Tallis it is one of the most staggeringly beautiful piece of sacred music I have ever heard. And I have heard a lot of sacred music.


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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2006, 08:41:58 PM »

But is it Jewish reggae? Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2006, 02:17:02 PM »

But is it Jewish reggae? Smiley

More like Elizabethan Hypno, on the grounds that its Elizabethan and hypnotic. Rocks my boat though.

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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2006, 07:05:07 PM »

From what I've heard, it's too evangelical Protestant for my likingÂÂ  Tongue. Besides, aren't we Orthodox supposed to be carefull in regard to excessive emotion in religion?
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