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Offline Tzimis

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Deer hunting
« on: June 16, 2006, 11:57:56 AM »
I have deer hunted since the age of 16. I'm just curious what the orthodox view on this type of hunting or any type of hunting is in general. Thanks
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2006, 12:10:41 PM »
I have deer hunted since the age of 16. I'm just curious what the orthodox view on this type of hunting or any type of hunting is in general. Thanks

The pious and Orthodox laity have hunted deer since the Church made its way into the country side. Many faithful Orthodox go hunting for deer and other food in Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, Russia, et al. There are no prohibitions of any kind against such an activity. Of course, it only makes good sense to eat the food one kills!

(There are, of course, canonical prohibitions for clergy. A clergyman -- defined in this case, according to the Byzantine canonists, as anyone who is a Subdeacon or above -- should never engage in any form of violence, and should certainly never kill any person or any animal. In fact, even involuntary murder -- of people, not animals -- is listed as an absolute impediment to ordination. Thus, clergy cannot hunt or act as soldiers.)
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2006, 12:16:35 PM »
You mean that you'd actually shoot poor, little, Bambi?  You wretch!  ;)

Just kidding.

I'm not aware of any canons or anything that even address the topic of hunting.  Perhaps it is a question for your priest?  Maybe others can contribute more.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2006, 12:22:30 PM »
If you are going to eat it, I don't see the problem. If for pure sport, I think this would be wrong.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2006, 12:23:40 PM »
I'm curious; how does deer taste?
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2006, 12:48:33 PM »
Venison tastes absolutely divine.  Although, some claim that in heaven there is no meat, we the true faithful no better.  They serve venison and lamb chop.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2006, 12:54:43 PM »
I'm curious; how does deer taste?

A little greasy, thicker, but good.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2006, 12:55:05 PM »
I've also eaten squirrel once. Now I couldn't do that as I think they are too cute but I had to try it once when offered.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2006, 01:06:07 PM »
Well, besides having lived in Louisiana, I also lived in Kentucky...

One KY tradition is to have squirrel heads on Sundays (this was actually a problem a few years ago when rabies was rampant among the KY squirrel population)...

When I lived in KY was also in my firefighting days. Often the station captain would have his wife drop off a big bag of squirrel heads---enough for all of us at the station to have the traditional meal---and we'd skin them, boil em, and eat them Sunday at noontime. You'd crack open the skulls and pick out the brain like nutmeat! Quite the display we'd put on for the folks coming home from church--the entire fire station outside on the apron (driveway) sitting in lounge chairs with big piles of squirrel skulls at our feet!  :D

I also have had venison. The roasts do taste as described, but my favorite way is actually as fondue. Chop the meat into small pieces, get some oil going, get beer and friends together--that's good eating! Jerky and sausage is also great!

I've also eaten raccoon, rabbit, turtle, and alligator--all in Louisiana.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2006, 01:51:44 PM »
This makes me feel much better. The truth is that I enjoy hunting. I have also mounted the heads on some of the deer I shot. Is this wrong? Is this some kind of Idle worship or pride? Bucks are very majestic creatures. I shot an 8 pointer last year witch is ready to be picked up at the taxidermist. 8 pointers are pretty hard to come by. I guess it could be considered somewhat prideful to display a deer head if one is being prideful of what he shot. What would you make of that. BTW: I eat the meat from the deer I kill.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2006, 02:12:17 PM »
A little greasy, thicker, but good.

You're kidding, right?
If you said goose or bear or groundhog, I'd say "greasy" but venison's so lean it's my fav for chili meat  :)

(Demetri doesn't hunt; he fishes. He does let friends shoot off a deer for him on his own farm however. Yummy)  :D
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2006, 03:49:53 PM »
I'm curious; how does deer taste?

A little like beef, just tougher, and there is a little bit of another taste that's kind of hard to decribe.ÂÂ  I usually would only use venison if It was for a heavily spiced dish, as it's not my favorite meat (I'd rather have buffalo).ÂÂ  
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2006, 04:17:31 PM »
[quote author=Αριστοκλής link=topic=9292.msg124682#msg124682 date=1150481537]
You're kidding, right?
If you said goose or bear or groundhog, I'd say "greasy" but venison's so lean it's my fav for chili meatÂÂ  :)

(Demetri doesn't hunt; he fishes. He does let friends shoot off a deer for him on his own farm however. Yummy)ÂÂ  :D
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In fact it is so lean that when we tried making deer burgers we had to mix it with regular ground chuck because the meat tended to break apart.  No fat to hold it together.

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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2006, 04:37:00 PM »
Venison is good, but I prefer elk. It has a comprable flavour to venison but is a bit milder. Makes excellent steaks.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2006, 05:46:13 PM »
Many years ago, I ate what my mom said was rabbit.  I'm kinda suspicious, though, since I remember it tasting like chicken.

I've also eaten raccoon, rabbit, turtle, and alligator--all in Louisiana.
I've also eaten octopus, ducks' feet, and sea snails--all during my three-week tour of China several years ago.
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Re: Deer hunting
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2006, 06:01:26 PM »
(There are, of course, canonical prohibitions for clergy. A clergyman -- defined in this case, according to the Byzantine canonists, as anyone who is a Subdeacon or above -- should never engage in any form of violence, and should certainly never kill any person or any animal. In fact, even involuntary murder -- of people, not animals -- is listed as an absolute impediment to ordination. Thus, clergy cannot hunt or act as soldiers.)
I've also heard that being involved in a fatal car accident is an automatic impediment to ordination or continued service in the clergy.  Has anyone else heard of this?
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