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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2006, 11:55:16 PM »
Two brothers were on retreat at a Trappist monastery.  The first brother,  a Friar Minor (Franciscan)  came to ask Father Guardian a question about the rules.  He said, "Father, may I drink coffee while I pray?"  Father Guardian answered him,  "No my son.  It is better to finish your coffee and then go into pray."  Obediently, the friar set his coffee down and went to pray.

Now the other brother, a Jesuit novice had over heard  this conversation and he too had a question for the Guardian.  "Father,"  he began,  "Is it permitted for me to pray, while I drink my coffee?"  Father Guardian replied,  "Of course my son, we must pray without ceasing."


Father? And the Roman Catholic Church have "fathers"? They have people vested in clerical dress. The papist church don't have priesthood.  ???

But this example is very good. Before i think that the jesuits dont say good things, because they have much time killing orthodox people, like St. Athanasios of Brest.

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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2006, 12:03:47 AM »
Rafael,

Mother Anastasia is not Orthodox, she is Western Rite American Orthodox Catholic, an independent group.

While the Orthodox Church as a whole does not recognize RC orders, it is only polite to refer to people with their title. This does not mean we approve of their status, but it is impolite to constantly put "Church" and "Father" in quotation marks.  All Orthodox priests I know--traditionalist, ecumenist, the whole gamut--refer to RC priests by their titles.

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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #47 on: June 18, 2006, 12:10:13 AM »
Rafael,

Mother Anastasia is not Orthodox, she is Western Rite American Orthodox Catholic, an independent group.

While the Orthodox Church as a whole does not recognize RC orders, it is only polite to refer to people with their title. This does not mean we approve of their status, but it is impolite to constantly put "Church" and "Father" in quotation marks.ÂÂ  All Orthodox priests I know--traditionalist, ecumenist, the whole gamut--refer to RC priests by their titles.

Anastasios

Thank you brother. Question of education. But, is allways proper remind that.

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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2006, 12:49:33 AM »
I hate to prolong a tangent, but I have a question about all those little printed icons we get in church bulletins, icon catalogues, etc., which one is tempted to just throw away...

I recall reading about a woman who would collect those, mount them and make them into real mounted icons to give to people.  She, like some others responding to this thread, did not like the idea of people just throwing those icons away.  She was even taking and mounting church bulletin icons, etc., which strangers sent her in the mail.  I seem to recall that she lived somewhere in the U.S.

Does anyone know who this woman is?  I've often thought of her and how I would love to send her some of those church bulletin icons I get.  This sounds like a silly thing, but I think that what she does is a wonderful service to God.

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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2006, 09:20:30 AM »
The priest at the church we attend has misgivings about people sending/receiving icon Nativity cards for the same reason - i.e., one can't throw them away, or at least one shouldn't, yet that is often what many probably unthinkingly do. So he ends up having to burn the cards after the season to dispose of them properly. I had never thought about it before, but we will likely not buy/send such cards for that reason.
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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2006, 08:00:21 PM »
This of course could easily become another topic. The use of Paper Icons etc, but hopefully it won't.

Since industrialization occurred in Orthodox Countries, printed or published Icons have made their way into Orthodox Homes. During the Turkish occupation of Greece and Byzantium, often western prints of icons were the olnly source of religous images possible for people to bring into their homes. Likewise, today, I know few who can actually afford a full hand written icon or in any number several icons one for each family member.

Thus the Fathers allow for Icons and prints to be blessed. Many monasteries who publish and mount icons say the Prayer of the Heart continuously while creating them just as the iconographer prays continuously as he writes the icon.

The key is that if an icon, a print or a handwritten icon works as a window to heaven , it is a blessing to those who use it. enuf said.

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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2006, 12:59:49 PM »
ozgeorge,

Sorry for the delayed response; I am in the middle of end-of-semester exams. A response to your last reply has been produced in the new thread that I have created here: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=9351.msg125558#msg125558
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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2006, 03:35:48 PM »
I think we've flushed out just about every argument for and against Icons in the bathroom.  Can we get off the throne and please move into another room??

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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2006, 01:18:17 AM »
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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2016, 10:00:59 AM »
I have heard that one should not have a Bible in the bathroom - i.e., where one uses the toilet - and the same goes for icons.

I'm resurrecting this very old thread because I was searching for an answer to the same question. What I realized after reading it was that I should be less concerned with whether or not an icon belongs in the same room as a toilet, and more concerned with preventing the rest of my house, where icons do hang, from becoming a toilet:
To what images of violence and debauchery do we subject those icons which hang across the room from our TV?
What sarcasm and arguing do those icons hear that watch over our kitchen tables?
Do the icons in our bedrooms close their eyes rather than witness perversion and lust?

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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2016, 11:34:05 AM »
About bathroom, I'd say humidity might be a prolem.
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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2016, 11:27:11 PM »
I have heard that one should not have a Bible in the bathroom - i.e., where one uses the toilet - and the same goes for icons.

However, our toilet is in a separate room with its own door separating it from the room with the sinks and shower and bathtub. There are also clothes closets in that same bathroom, also with their own doors. So it's basically four rooms:

1. sink/shower/tub room
2. clothes closet 1 with door
3. clothes closet 2 with door
4. toilet/linen-closet room with door

Would it be okay to put an icon(s) in any of the above rooms 1.-3., e.g., an icon of Christ washing the disciples' feet in room 1., as someone on another forum asked?

Bathrooms Not suggested. We have icons in living spaces : Living room, kitchen, den, dinning room, bedrooms, but unfinished basements , garages are out.
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Re: Icons in bathroom?
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2016, 02:01:04 AM »
It is ok to have a (stool) upon which you can place a holy item, in the bathroom.