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« on: June 14, 2006, 03:37:39 AM »

This appears to be made by a group of Orthodox youth who consider Father Seraphim Rose their hero:
http://www.desertwisdom.org/dttw/

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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2006, 11:42:27 AM »

This appears to be made by a group of Orthodox youth who consider Father Seraphim Rose their hero:
http://www.desertwisdom.org/dttw/

I don't think they are literally "youth" any more. The original founders are certainly adults by now. I wasn't aware that their zine was even still being published. Actually, after looking at the Web site, I still don't know if it is. Most of the site looks like stock material from some of the old issues and pamphlets.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2006, 01:16:45 PM »

This appears to be made by a group of Orthodox youth who consider Father Seraphim Rose their hero:
http://www.desertwisdom.org/dttw/

Peace.

I'm pretty sure it hasn't been published for at least a few years.  I'll try to remember to ask at the Super-Mega-Pan-Orthodox BBQ we're having on Friday (just me trying to be optimistic about turnout from the other parishes).  There is a former CSB parish in town that has a bookstore and someone from that parish will probably be at the BBQ and would definitely know for sure.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2006, 03:13:08 PM »

I have but that was 10 years ago - an OCA cathedral had copies of it. I've no idea if it's still being printed - the site looks static.

BTW I've been told that though they're not a church unto themselves anymore the CSB still exist as an inter-jurisdictional group. The idea is that of the братсва in Russia and the Ukraine in olden times. Some of their churches are in the OCA, others in the Serbian Church (like the Platina monastery where Fr Seraphim is buried) and others in the Bulgarian Church.

I've been to three of their churches in northern California and from that and descriptions I've got from others their church life seems very like English-language ROCOR whence they came (what Fr Seraphim was) and which I've also seen, but all of their members, monks and nuns or not, are basically trying very hard to live like they think monastics do or like an idealised Russian village, super-strict and insular. (Perhaps like a re-invention of Old Believer settlements, which still exist.)
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2006, 06:00:54 PM »

I have but that was 10 years ago - an OCA cathedral had copies of it. I've no idea if it's still being printed - the site looks static.

BTW I've been told that though they're not a church unto themselves anymore the CSB still exist as an inter-jurisdictional group. The idea is that of the братсва in Russia and the Ukraine in olden times. Some of their churches are in the OCA, others in the Serbian Church (like the Platina monastery where Fr Seraphim is buried) and others in the Bulgarian Church.

I've been to three of their churches in northern California and from that and descriptions I've got from others their church life seems very like English-language ROCOR whence they came (what Fr Seraphim was) and which I've also seen, but all of their members, monks and nuns or not, are basically trying very hard to live like they think monastics do or like an idealised Russian village, super-strict and insular. (Perhaps like a re-invention of Old Believer settlements, which still exist.)
This is more or less correct.  I see members of the parishes in Santa Rosa and San Fran regularly.  The Santa Rosa group (Bulgarians) is one of the most insular groups left, but even they have come a long way.  The San Fran group (OCA) is more mainstream, as their parish is so close to Holy Trinity (OCA).
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2006, 06:17:23 PM »

Santa Rosa is one of the three I popped into.
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2006, 07:28:17 PM »

Santa Rosa is one of the three I popped into.

You mean you didn't visit my parish (OCA)Huh??  You meanie!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2006, 07:36:49 PM »

Well, the OCF chapter link appears current.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2006, 08:22:47 PM »

You mean you didn't visit my parish (OCA)Huh??  You meanie!!!!

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My host didn't take me there — sorry!
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2006, 10:14:05 PM »

My host didn't take me there — sorry!

Well, you just missed the best parish in town!  Your loss! Grin
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2006, 11:00:26 PM »

This site seems to be related to an OCA mission in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Anybody know anything about it? I hope the parish is not as "noir" as this Death to the World site is. It kinda creeps me out.

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2006, 05:36:14 PM »

The zine, Death To The World is no longer being published. There are still some copies (usually photocopies of copies now) still floating around in some Orthodox bookstores and coffee houses. It was published periodically throughout the 1990's. The last issue was published in 1997.  The publication is currently available online in pdf format at:

http://www.desertwisdom.org/dttw/links/index.html

The zine was the work of St. Herman of Alaska Brotherhood in Platina, CA.

There was also an accompanying book by the same title. The book is out of print at this time, although some Orthodox bookstores may still have a lone copy or two.

As far as I know there are no plans to resume publication.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2006, 07:21:04 PM »

T Frog,

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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2006, 11:50:57 PM »


Do you mean there is a book entitled Death to the World, or are you referring to Youth of the Apocalypse

I ask not as a correction, but if Br. John was involved in another book i'd like to read that as well.
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2006, 12:46:39 AM »

Pensateomnia,

Thanks, I'm glad you like it.

Kansas City,

Sorry about that, I meant Youth Of The Apocalypse not Death To The World as the title of the accompanying book.

If you are referring to Brother John (Marler), yes he along with Brother Andrew (Wermuth) authored the book. I am not aware if Brother John has been involved with any other books.
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2006, 08:55:24 AM »

Pensateomnia,

Thanks, I'm glad you like it.

Kansas City,

Sorry about that, I meant Youth Of The Apocalypse not Death To The World as the title of the accompanying book.

If you are referring to Brother John (Marler), yes he along with Brother Andrew (Wermuth) authored the book. I am not aware if Brother John has been involved with any other books.

A very good book for a certian group of people.  It may not apeal to everyone, and it's hard to find.  A bit dark in the beginning as well.  And Brother Justin left a long time ago and restarted his old band "Sleep" but renamed them "The Sabians"

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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2008, 09:43:10 PM »

I suppose this is an older topic that I have run into. Yes, "Death to the World" zine is being published again. In fact issue # 18 is out. I actually came accross this zine by accident and this is what really compelled me to look into Orthodoxy. I have actually been inspired to produce a similiar type "zine". So, if anyone reading this would like to contribute or has any ideas just let me know.
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« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2008, 02:01:40 AM »

I'm pretty sure it hasn't been published for at least a few years.  I'll try to remember to ask at the Super-Mega-Pan-Orthodox BBQ we're having on Friday ...

BBQ on a Friday?! Is outrage!
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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2008, 02:36:15 AM »

BBQ on a Friday?! Is outrage!

Yes! I vould akree!! Is not fast-free veek this veek! Should have hed BBQ veek after Pentecost! Is troolly outrage!!  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2008, 04:09:27 AM »

BBQ on a Friday?! Is outrage!

Unless that Friday happens to be on a Fast Free week like next Friday...
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2008, 05:10:50 AM »

You guys have seen the year of that post about a BBQ haven't you?
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2008, 09:20:11 AM »

It is still being published, though by an entirely new team who took over the name and distribution of the old issues.
Try this link instead: http://www.deathtotheworld.com/
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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2008, 09:23:38 AM »

You guys have seen the year of that post about a BBQ haven't you?

LOL!  Indeed.  For a moment I thought our friend Matthew was back.   Shocked  laugh
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2009, 01:54:00 PM »

If your ever teach Orthodox teen programs and see the teens are bored, drag out the "Death to the World" articles.  Most teens
think these are fascinating and will read every word!
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