Thanks a million, anastasios - you're the friend I was referring to a while back on this thread. A man truly taken with Eastern Orthodoxy for positive reasons, who 'knows his stuff' (I don't pretend to know the writings of the great Eastern theologians - you know them!) and whose hypothetical future decision to convert would earn my respect.
Woh there Serge, let's be careful about our language here. Someone posted on the Indiana List a few months ago hymns of the Church which--it would seem--would be called "at face value borderline heretical" by you. The doctrine in question perhaps doesn't have the majority of our Tradition on its side... but, neither does the idea that sex is for more than procreation and to curb lust. Let us not so easily dismiss as "borderline heretical" things taught by revered men, and even saints of the Church!
I thought this was a message board for discussion and debate about Eastern Christianity, not a cult where the infallible holy gurus' writings can't be discussed or questioned. (I have a lot of respect for Fr Seraphim Rose, for example, but he's not my guru.) On the contrary, I thought a feather in EOs' caps was the belief that no one person is ex officio
infallible, which makes your 'defence' of EO saints' opinions seem very hypocritical, or like you're afraid they can't stand up to scrutiny in a debate.
And please stop telling Joe to stay Catholic. He's becoming Orthodox, his mind is made up, he's gone through the preliminary stages for that journey, you aren't going to turn him around.
Justin, it's manifestly obvious to everyone here - except perhaps self-righteous, one-sided converts more interested in netting more converts than in somebody's mental health/well-being - that Joe isn't interested in Eastern Orthodoxy for itself at all
. He's just angry at some people in the Catholic Church, perhaps understandably and justifiably - nothing more. anastasios has put it well - how will you look or feel if Joe goes through with it in his current frame of mind, then bags it and reverts to Roman Catholicism in a year?
I would no more encourage Joe in his current frame of mind to change churches than I would encourage an R.C. Sproul-quoting evangelical who's thinking of 'poping' mainly to spite his minister, with whom he's just had a terrible row.
If you think he's making the wrong decision then pray for him.
Joe made it public by posting, which is the only reason I've written about it here.
Personally, I think you have a lot of nerve trying to direct other people to the group you think they should be in when you are so secretive about your own affiliation.
Personally, I think you have no manners and are very self-righteous for taking my postings from this forum and gossiping about my church membership on another forum. Do you think reading Byzantine theology, keeping fasts and insisting that women hide their attractiveness all the time by dressing like old maids entitles you to treat people like that?
I like you Serge (which probably hasn't come out in my posts of late), but I think you are one confusing fellow (and I fear that the confusion might cause others to stumble).
That's nice. I don't like you. Which is fine since 'liking' someone isn't necessary for salvation. People like you give Western converts to Eastern Orthodoxy a bad name.
The one priest said something to the effect that you didn't have to believe in the validity of the practice in question, but that he did personally.
Like I wrote, Catholics don't have
to believe in any
of that stuff.
I always take statements about "doing x, y number of times, to get to heaven," somewhat loosely
Which is the substance of what I was trying to say.
(I know there are Orthodox versions of this type of belief)