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« on: June 06, 2006, 08:44:35 PM » |
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What times of day are certain services supposed to be done? i.e.: 1st hour, 6th hour, ninth hour, vespers, etc.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2006, 08:56:59 PM » |
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Complines (Corresponds to After-Dinner) 8-9 PM
Midnite Office (10PM-4 AM)
Matins (4-6 AM)
# First Hour corresponds to daybreak (6:00 a.m.).
# Third Hour corresponds to mid-morning (9:00 a.m.)
# Sixth Hour corresponds to mid-day (12:00 noon)
# Ninth Hour corresponds to mid-afternoon (3:00 p.m.)
Vespers (corresponds to sunset) 6-7 PM
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2006, 11:35:57 PM » |
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Complines (Corresponds to After-Dinner) 8-9 PM
Midnite Office (10PM-4 AM)
Matins (4-6 AM)
# First Hour corresponds to daybreak (6:00 a.m.).
# Third Hour corresponds to mid-morning (9:00 a.m.)
# Sixth Hour corresponds to mid-day (12:00 noon)
# Ninth Hour corresponds to mid-afternoon (3:00 p.m.)
Vespers (corresponds to sunset) 6-7 PM
And if you or your church reads Matins the night before as a continuation of Vespers (a regular Saturday evening practice in many Russian parishes), you would call it Vigil. |
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2006, 12:00:58 AM » |
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Here is the fairly standard practice at the big monasteries on the Holy Mountain (and give or take some time since they follow Athonite time, not worldly time)
(the following are all run together back to back)
3am - midnight hour
3:30 - Orthros
5:30 - 1st, 3rd and 6th hours
6 - liturgy
7:15 - morning trapeza
Then in the evening this services are all run together:
5pm - 9th hour
5:10 - vespers
6 - trapeza
6:30- small compline, followed by the veneration of the monastery's relics.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2006, 12:08:29 AM » |
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Again, thank you all for your help.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2006, 09:58:58 AM » |
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Forgive me for seeming ignorant, but what is Trapeza?
-Nick
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2006, 10:03:47 AM » |
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Forgive me for seeming ignorant, but what is Trapeza?
-Nick
Trapeza=table. It's when you eat. |
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2006, 10:13:03 AM » |
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Trapeza=table.
It's when you eat.
Perhaps we should note that in the Athonite tradition the morning trapeza is informal, i.e. there is no procession from the Church after morning services to the trapeza. Thus, there are usually no corporate prayers (certainly not of the same type as those for the official trapeza), no readings during the meal, and only a select minority of the brotherhood actually attends the morning meal (usually consisting of tea, bread, honey, olives -- perhaps dates and halva). The only official meal of the monastery, at which all monks eat, is the evening trapeza, which takes place after the Vespers. The brotherhood makes an official procession from the Church to the trapeza, has a set rite of pre-meal prayers, listens in silence to readings from the lives of the Saints during the meal, ends the meal in an official rite of prayer, and then processes back to the Church for Small Compline/Canon to the Theotokos. Unless he receives special approval, a typical healthy monk only has one meal a day (the evening one). |
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2006, 10:24:43 AM » |
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Oh, OK!
Amend by response to be:
Trapeza=table.
It's when you, I, and other non-monastics eat along with monastics who have received a special blessing to eat due to their infirmity or other reasons as defined by Geronda.
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2006, 10:30:00 AM » |
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Amend by response to be:
Trapeza=table.
It's when you, I, and other non-monastics eat along with monastics who have received a special blessing to eat due to their infirmity or other reasons as defined by Geronda.
That would be MORNING trapeza, but not evening trapeza, which is actually part of the monastic cycle of prayer. I wasn't even trying to correct you, btw, just add some information. |
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2006, 10:32:16 PM » |
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Okay, makes sense and I learned another vocabulary word  I hope they have that in the crossword sometime, I'll have one more word  -Nick |
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2006, 06:51:46 PM » |
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Trapeza is part of the prayer service and certainly while I was there there was reading for the morning meal too.
Because Trapeza is part of the rule of prayer, in some monasteries non-Orthodox have to wait till after the Orthodox (i.e. 'most') have eaten and left the room. This is not, however, universal: Vatopaedi do not do this (all eat together) whilst Karakalou does insist that they eat separately, likewise for non-Orthodox being allowed into the Katholicon during services.
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