OrthodoxChristianity.net
July 30, 2014, 09:44:56 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Reminder: No political discussions in the public fora.  If you do not have access to the private Politics Forum, please send a PM to Fr. George.
 
   Home   Help Calendar Contact Treasury Tags Login Register  
Pages: 1   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Time of Services  (Read 1624 times) Average Rating: 0
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Psalti Boy
High Elder
******
Offline Offline

Faith: Christian
Jurisdiction: Don't need one
Posts: 842



« on: June 06, 2006, 08:44:35 PM »

What times of day are certain services supposed to be done?  i.e.: 1st hour, 6th hour, ninth hour, vespers, etc.
Logged
sdcheung
it's as if..Saint Photios and Saint Mark Ephesus, has come back
Banned
OC.net guru
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,325


...even though Romania Falls, another will Rise...


« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2006, 08:56:59 PM »

Complines (Corresponds to After-Dinner) 8-9 PM
Midnite Office (10PM-4 AM)
Matins (4-6 AM)
#  First Hour corresponds to daybreak (6:00 a.m.).
# Third Hour corresponds to mid-morning (9:00 a.m.)
# Sixth Hour corresponds to mid-day (12:00 noon)
# Ninth Hour corresponds to mid-afternoon (3:00 p.m.)
Vespers (corresponds to sunset) 6-7 PM
Logged


Keep Breed Mixing, and this Maine Coon Cat will be the last of it's kind. /\
No profanities in your sig line if you're going to post in the public forum.
PeterTheAleut
The Right Blowhard Peter the Furtive of Yetts O'Muckhart
Section Moderator
Protospatharios
*****
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction: OCA
Posts: 31,601


Lord, have mercy on the Christians in Mosul!


« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2006, 11:35:57 PM »

Complines (Corresponds to After-Dinner) 8-9 PM
Midnite Office (10PM-4 AM)
Matins (4-6 AM)
#  First Hour corresponds to daybreak (6:00 a.m.).
# Third Hour corresponds to mid-morning (9:00 a.m.)
# Sixth Hour corresponds to mid-day (12:00 noon)
# Ninth Hour corresponds to mid-afternoon (3:00 p.m.)
Vespers (corresponds to sunset) 6-7 PM
And if you or your church reads Matins the night before as a continuation of Vespers (a regular Saturday evening practice in many Russian parishes), you would call it Vigil.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2006, 11:36:30 PM by PeterTheAleut » Logged
Νεκτάριος
Protokentarchos
*********
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,437



« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2006, 12:00:58 AM »

Here is the fairly standard practice at the big monasteries on the Holy Mountain (and give or take some time since they follow Athonite time, not worldly time)

(the following are all run together back to back)
3am - midnight hour
3:30 - Orthros
5:30 - 1st, 3rd and 6th hours
6 - liturgy
7:15 - morning trapeza


Then in the evening this services are all run together:

5pm - 9th hour
5:10 - vespers
6 - trapeza
6:30- small compline, followed by the veneration of the monastery's relics. 
Logged
Psalti Boy
High Elder
******
Offline Offline

Faith: Christian
Jurisdiction: Don't need one
Posts: 842



« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2006, 12:08:29 AM »

Again, thank you all for your help.
Logged
admiralnick
Cardinal, Editor for Photogalleries
OC.net guru
*******
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction: OCA
Posts: 1,880


« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2006, 09:58:58 AM »

Forgive me for seeming ignorant, but what is Trapeza?

-Nick
Logged

The ORIGINAL: "NULL"
FrChris
The Rodney Dangerfield of OC.net
Site Supporter
Taxiarches
*****
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox Christian
Posts: 7,252


Holy Father Patrick, thank you for your help!


« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2006, 10:03:47 AM »

Forgive me for seeming ignorant, but what is Trapeza?

-Nick

Trapeza=table.

It's when you eat.
Logged

"As the sparrow flees from a hawk, so the man seeking humility flees from an argument". St John Climacus
pensateomnia
Bibliophylax
Archon
********
Offline Offline

Faith: Greek Orthodox Christian
Posts: 2,346


metron ariston


« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2006, 10:13:03 AM »

Trapeza=table.

It's when you eat.

Perhaps we should note that in the Athonite tradition the morning trapeza is informal, i.e. there is no procession from the Church after morning services to the trapeza. Thus, there are usually no corporate prayers (certainly not of the same type as those for the official trapeza), no readings during the meal, and only a select minority of the brotherhood actually attends the morning meal (usually consisting of tea, bread, honey, olives -- perhaps dates and halva).

The only official meal of the monastery, at which all monks eat, is the evening trapeza, which takes place after the Vespers. The brotherhood makes an official procession from the Church to the trapeza, has a set rite of pre-meal prayers, listens in silence to readings from the lives of the Saints during the meal, ends the meal in an official rite of prayer, and then processes back to the Church for Small Compline/Canon to the Theotokos.

Unless he receives special approval, a typical healthy monk only has one meal a day (the evening one).
« Last Edit: June 19, 2006, 10:15:30 AM by pensateomnia » Logged

But for I am a man not textueel I wol noght telle of textes neuer a deel. (Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale, 1.131)
FrChris
The Rodney Dangerfield of OC.net
Site Supporter
Taxiarches
*****
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox Christian
Posts: 7,252


Holy Father Patrick, thank you for your help!


« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2006, 10:24:43 AM »

Oh, OK!

Amend by response to be:

Trapeza=table.

It's when you, I, and other non-monastics eat along with monastics who have received a special blessing to eat due to their infirmity or other reasons as defined by Geronda.
Logged

"As the sparrow flees from a hawk, so the man seeking humility flees from an argument". St John Climacus
pensateomnia
Bibliophylax
Archon
********
Offline Offline

Faith: Greek Orthodox Christian
Posts: 2,346


metron ariston


« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2006, 10:30:00 AM »

Amend by response to be:

Trapeza=table.

It's when you, I, and other non-monastics eat along with monastics who have received a special blessing to eat due to their infirmity or other reasons as defined by Geronda.

That would be MORNING trapeza, but not evening trapeza, which is actually part of the monastic cycle of prayer. I wasn't even trying to correct you, btw, just add some information.
Logged

But for I am a man not textueel I wol noght telle of textes neuer a deel. (Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale, 1.131)
admiralnick
Cardinal, Editor for Photogalleries
OC.net guru
*******
Offline Offline

Faith: Orthodox Christian
Jurisdiction: OCA
Posts: 1,880


« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2006, 10:32:16 PM »

Okay, makes sense and I learned another vocabulary word  Grin I hope they have that in the crossword sometime, I'll have one more word  Smiley


-Nick
Logged

The ORIGINAL: "NULL"
axios
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 16


« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2006, 06:51:46 PM »

Trapeza is part of the prayer service and certainly while I was there there was reading for the morning meal too.

Because Trapeza is part of the rule of prayer, in some monasteries non-Orthodox have to wait till after the Orthodox (i.e. 'most') have eaten and left the room.  This is not, however, universal: Vatopaedi do not do this (all eat together) whilst Karakalou does insist that they eat separately, likewise for non-Orthodox being allowed into the Katholicon during services.

ax
Logged
Tags:
Pages: 1   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.057 seconds with 38 queries.