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Which demands, WHO IS ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN?
If I wake up tomorrow as Nektarios, Patriarch of Phoenix and all other regions that are hot as hell right now, and receive converts into my new founded "Orthodox" Church - are they Orthodox, simply because they call themselves Orthodox? [/quote]
Exactly. As this board has tried to explain with considerable patience and charity to these two 'independent-church' clergy, being Orthodox means not only beliefs, practices and a claim to apostolic succession but being in the Orthodox communion.
Simply adopting all but the last — 'I don't care what anybody else says; I follow the councils, The Rudder, etc.' — and setting up shop on your own is like how Baptists operate, not Orthodox. In other words you're treating those Orthodox things exactly the way groups like the Baptists treat the Bible — outside the context of the church, which is utterly foreign to Orthodoxy.
Mother Anastasia's church is obviously the creation of Franciscan-influenced charismatic Roman Catholics who wanted to run after their own flights of fancy, whatever they are, rather than obey their church (St Francis was big on that last part BTW).
Like many Westerners they were ignorant of what Orthodoxy really is and had this vague notion that it's an umbrella term for being vaguely high-churchy but not under Rome.
The AOCC is more of the same.
As are the gays in America who opened an iconostasis-less church, put a Russian cross on the sign and dedicated the church to 'St' Mychal Judge. They claim 'valid lines of succession' too.
'It's a free country.' Logically you, MA, could decide to obey your old church and go back, since you want to have in church so much that is RC, or you could be honest, as you have set out to do since learning about Orthodoxy here, and simply be an independent church mixing practices — like having married nuns and lady deacons — and devotions that you like.
But now you know not to call yourselves Orthodox.