You guys that host the humanistic self deifying posture are even further from the point than you realize. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š You make the mistake of seeing the whole male female divide from only the male pov. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š What woman wants a man that thinks it perfectly "natural" to invade as many panties as possible? ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Sure you have society and asinine evolutionary theories to support your self deification, you miss the mark though. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š What benefit is it to any society to have the men be polygamous? What woman wants to be one of many? How does this line up with our knowledge that men AND women were created in God's image? ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š We females aren't breeding machines or biological release receptacles for men. ARgh! ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Men that think they are animals should be put in cages and fed soft bananas. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š It would be safer for the females and the men that know better.
You try to criticize evolutionary psychology by appealing to a social perspective? There may be no social benifit to polygamy, but evolution does not generally reward social advantages, it rewards procreative advantages, the social advantages are only rewarded if they also help in procreation (including survival of offspring to mate).
But that's not the funny part, the funny part is that every point you make in your next paragraph supports evolutionary psychology. I mostly addressed the development of the male psychology form an evolutionary perspective in my last post, but evolution can also explain the female psychology as you presented it.
It's a lot simpler than you guys think. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Some of the most perfect men in the world are passed up because they don't appear to have it all together. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š They don't appear to have any self esteem or self-worth. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š They appear to be weak and frightened, even if they aren't physically coming across like that based on looks or actions. You can have a condo, but so could the guy whose mom lives there with him. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š The woman can't see herself as being protected in life, and since we live as PREY ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š most of the time we need that sense of protection. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š The jocks, and the model looking guys at least appear like they have it all together. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Remember the jocks in school that had girls dripping off of them all the time. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š they just looked like they had it figure out in life. They were just aloof and as dense as all the other guys, but they put on an act and it won them the girl. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š And the girl was already struggling with her self image, so she put on airs as well.
The only real difference between the male and female in evolution is number and size of reproductive products. The male produces many smaller ones (called sperm) and the female produces many larger ones (called eggs). Any other differences are accidental and develop as a result of this factor and the enviromental factors that surround them. Thus, the strategy that is rewarded (from a perspective of genetics and evolution) for males is mass reproduction; with females, on the other hand, they are limited by the number of offspring they can produce, so evolution rewards females who are able to bring as many offspring as possible to mating age (and, in some species, killing off the offspring of less dominate females, to both increase her offspring's chance and reduce the genetic effect of other females). Thus, while the male is genetically programmed to mate as often as possible, the female is genetically programmed seek security, somewhat for herself but especially for her offspring.
This is exactly what you're saying you want from a male, you want a secure and stable enviroment that will give your offspring the greatest chance of reaching an age at which they can mate and pass on your genes. Both perspectives are clearly explained from the perspective of evolutionary psychology.
Now, monogamy is a victory for the female over the male, usually caused by agressive behaviour in the females which forces the male to chose one and only one mate and by the increased influence of non-alpha males in a societal setting (thus, also contributing to an eventually equilibrium between the genders). Here the female gets the most secure enviroment in which to raise her offspring, one with the constant support of the male, and the male makes the compromise that mating with one female is better than mating with none. While homo sapiens
are tending towards monogamy today, we were polygamous VERY recently in our evolutionary history, thus leading to the dichotomy between that for which a male and female looks, creating these interesting relationship situations in the first place.
It's not much different by age 20 for most girls or guys. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š At that point the part of the brain that operates finer reasoning is just finally developing. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š anyway, I married the guy I met at 14 that looked like he was scared to death, but only after experiencing the heartbreak of a few of the jerks. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š If you are meant to be married, your lady is out there. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Be praying for her now, wherever she is, that she won't have to give away pieces of her heart bit by bit, along the way to finding you. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Then she has all those other memories to take to bed with her. From most of this conversation I can see many of the guys will have images of other women to take to bed with you. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š God expects a lot more of the one He created in his own image than he does a wild dog or armadillo. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š The best advice I could give is to not think of all women as free samples on a buffet, ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š each woman is either to be married to another man or to God so most of the ones you guys will oggle belong to someone else! ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Even if they dont' know it yet.
Which demonstrates that with the rise of society and modernity, what is required for stability and security is fundamentally different than what was required 100,000 years ago when we first evolved, strength, for example, is no longer significant for survival. However, we are genetically programmed to view it as essential, since it was vital at one point, thus leading many people to look for the historical ideal mate at a young age, when dirven by hormones alone, but as reason and experience takes over (we are an intelligent species after all, or so they claim, you wouldn't know it by reading this board
) one might readjust their ideals to fit with what they 'know' (though perhaps subconsciously) to be evolutionary advantageous (i.e. lead to the most procreative success and and create offspring with the greatest chance at procreative success, by inhereting themse advantageous traits...such as financial stabilty, emotional stability, lack of violent tendencies (social influence on evolution), etc.), rather than what they 'feel' on a more fundamental level (strength, health, speed, stamina, etc....things that would have lead to procreative success when our species initially evolved)
(It's probably this last paragraph that best answers the initial question that was asked on this forum, 'Re: Why are so many young women fickle and immature?')