- There is but one Church of Christ.
1. I agree with this statement whole heartedly. But it is apparent from this forum that many are in dissension about exactly which Church is the one true Church. If we were autocephalous, under the covering of the Roman Catholic pontiff, as was suggested earlier, this
would be acceptable(to some)....but then we would be in conflict with those Orthodox that insist that Rome broke away from them and is teaching false doctrine, therefore, they are heretics and anyone under their covering are heretics as well.
If I were to assemble ministers from the Baptist, Lutheran, Pentacostal, Church of Christ, etc. They would all argue that their
doctrine was the only truth, and the others were heretics.
By way of the same example, if all the divergent Orthodox groups, Greek and Russian, were assembled under one roof, along with the Catholics, again there would be contention and insistence that theirs
was the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Each would find fault with the other due to some divergence of opinion, practice, dogmatic statement...etc. etc.
Just one little quote taking about three minutes to find on the internet...bear in mind I am ignorant of all the groups and don't even know where to go to find an example,all I had to do was type in schism, and volumes presented themselves with the same claims.http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch05275
...Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church of North and South America and is under the spiritual guidance of Archbishop +GREGORY. Our Primate is His Beatitude, Metropolitan +STEPHAN of Cleveland. We are in communion with Churches throughout the United States and Canada. We, however, are not in communion with all jurisdictions. Our apostolic succession comes from several lines dating back to Jesus Christ.
Our lines include Ukrainian, Greek, Russian and others. For instance, St. Tikhon, the last true Patriarch of Russia who was murdered by the communists, is in our lines. We are not in communion with some Orthodox Churches because of their refusal to follow the sacred canons of the seven ecumenical councils and also for their misunderstanding of how the canons should be applied and what they mean.http://www.romanorthodox.com/communion.html
The words schism and schismatic have found perhaps their heaviest usage in the history of Christianity, to denote splits within a church or religious body. In this context, schismatic as a noun denotes a person who creates or incites schism in a church or is a member of a splinter church, and schismatic as an adjective refers to ideas and things that are thought to lead towards or promote schism, often describing a church that has departed from whichever communion the user of the word considers to be the true Christian church.
These words have been used to denote both the phenomenon of Christian group splintering in general, and certain significant historical splits in particular.Thus, within Christianity the word schism may refer to:
* The offense of inciting divisions among Christians.
His Beatitude, +DAVID
Metropolitan Archbishop, Archdiocese of the Americas
ROMAN ORTHODOX CHURCH
So in essence, I am coming under fire from you for trying to promote unity, while you are busy trying to divide yourselves from others. According to the definition presented by St. Ireneaus, who is the schismatic here?
And how can we proceed to point two?
We are in desperate need of God's mercy! Must He send a comet to knock this planet off its axis and plunge it into darkness where a third of humanity is killed and only a few handfuls of Sacramental Christians let alone priests and Bishops are left, and we are all so thirsty and desperate for true Christian fellowship, that we will, with profound gratitude and reverence receive last rights from any Orthodox or Catholic with Apostolic Succession? Or even better, if we are lying their burnt from head to toe, shivering in our pain, and a Pentacostal comes and lays hands on us, tearfully begging God to have mercy and take us quickly or heal us. Shall we have the arrogance to push his hand away and tell him we can't pray with him?
I think we have a great deal to learn, and I pray that God does not have to resort to the hard way reserved for hardened hearts. But He is a loving and persistent Father, and I believe He will use every measure to bring us to humble repentance for the endless ways we have arrogantly presumed to elevate ourselves above others and exclude them from the fellowship of the believers.
By the definition of St. Ireneaus, I do not see any institution who has not in some way, succumbed to schism.
Please post any other topics as these into the Heresy-Jurisidction Thread. This thread is to remain about the Roman Catholic Church and heresies it may hold. - dantxny, moderator