I suppose that further explanation would be useless since I feel the more I say the more confusion I will cause.
Based on the responses to my post on the subject I admit that this has over my head.
I mean; Amish???
what is Amish?
Also I have never been called out as NOT Orthodox.
Speaking to people on this point I may have mis-lead you all to some extent.
I was reminded that my views and practices are very "ascetic" (NOT AMISH...what is Amish???) and that many Orthodox Christians (although not wrong) subscribe to a more lay discipline with regard to the Holy Fast which (I guess) is fine if that is what your father confessors permit. I guess that is why I was called Amish...(Amish!!! thats so funny).
I guess if hanging out at a rock concert with an empty stomach or with a stomach full of cabage is what the Holy Fast is than I can not argue that with you. That is for a Priest.
If you truly want to understand some of the things I wrote read 'fasting' by HH Pope Shenouda III, Patriarch of Alexandria. This is a very indepth read. But it will truly offend people who are not used to the subject at the level he teaches at. It will offend half steppers as well.
Catholics laugh at the traditions you all are talking about do not forget. They think it is not necessary. They are used to just giving up lets say chocolate for 40 days thats it. They continue drinking, sexing, cursing, and going about life as normal.
I love my family, and friends and the whole body of believers. The point I am making is clearly in Acts with regard to the first meal Or 'break-fast'. You should read this carfully how some people were not permitted to participate. Some Orthodox Churches still have the catechumen leave after the preparatory service and before mass. In the many liturgy books the Deacons say "Go forth you catechumen". At this point these people are escorted out from among the communicants Some Orthodox Churches has dropped this practice although they keep it in the liturgy. This was established during the Apostles. I was just watching a DVD about the life of Paul; and although the movie lacked allot and was not Orthodox in presentation the producers to my surprised showed Barnabas and his wife Aquila set aside and apart from those who were sharing in the Lords table.
This is what I am speaking of.
Moses separated the people who wanted the Lord and those who did not.
Lot was saved while the rest of Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed.
Christ said I am come to separate mother from daughter, father from son and so on...
My mother always told me "you are known by the company you keep"...I learned that the hard way.
For me to fast and also be around people eating meat, drinking, smoking, playing music, making small talk and my not being a part of it is impolite especially when the Holy hour approaches and I must go and pray and prostrate. The Jews asked Christ..."how is it that your disciples do not keep with the fasts?".....Christ said.."How can the friends of the Bridegroom fast when he is present; once I return to my Father then they will fast". So then it is better to join with partaking without witholding, if you must withhold it is more proper to keep with your waiting and treat the experience fairly as well as be true to who and why your withholding...Christ. It is better for every body then to stay removed until you finish your waiting or Fast.
Again; I have not the means to explain what I said before. It requires a deeper spiritual perspective that only a good Priest could offer.
Again; sorry for any confussion.