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Offline GabrieltheCelt

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What should I have said?
« on: September 30, 2013, 08:12:37 PM »
My HR Mgr asked a fellow associate why she was always smiling and in a good mood and so she answered, "It's because I love Jesus Christ!"  The HR sort of recoiled and said, "Whoa, we can't talk about that here."  I guess HR was just covering their butt, but I didn't think she said anything wrong.  I maybe could've understood had she been proselytizing to a captive audience, but she merely answered his question.  Anyway, my colleague wasn't sure what to say, and wasn't sure if she was in some kind of trouble, so I just casually said, "Hey, you asked and she answered. At any rate, Christians have been thrown to the lions, beheaded, had their innards ripped out, and crucified for 2,000 years. You may as well give up on silencing us." The HR said, "You gotta point."  I honestly don't think anything will come of it and honestly do not care if they make it into something.  I just wonder if I said too much or not enough?
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2013, 08:23:11 PM »
I think it was just right.  :laugh:
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2013, 08:41:02 PM »

I agree. You didn't ignore the comment, and actually stuck up for your coworker.

You answered back, but weren't rude or pushy.

I think you handled it well.
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 08:43:08 PM »
Good for you brother! Well handled in my opinion.


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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2013, 08:47:25 PM »
Gabriel do you work at Lowes?

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2013, 09:54:53 PM »
My HR Mgr asked a fellow associate why she was always smiling and in a good mood and so she answered, "It's because I love Jesus Christ!"  The HR sort of recoiled and said, "Whoa, we can't talk about that here."  I guess HR was just covering their butt, but I didn't think she said anything wrong.  I maybe could've understood had she been proselytizing to a captive audience, but she merely answered his question.  Anyway, my colleague wasn't sure what to say, and wasn't sure if she was in some kind of trouble, so I just casually said, "Hey, you asked and she answered. At any rate, Christians have been thrown to the lions, beheaded, had their innards ripped out, and crucified for 2,000 years. You may as well give up on silencing us." The HR said, "You gotta point."  I honestly don't think anything will come of it and honestly do not care if they make it into something.  I just wonder if I said too much or not enough?

You gave a good witness.

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2013, 10:10:41 PM »

I agree. You didn't ignore the comment, and actually stuck up for your coworker.

You answered back, but weren't rude or pushy.

I think you handled it well.

My thoughts exactly.
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2013, 10:22:02 PM »
My HR Mgr asked a fellow associate why she was always smiling and in a good mood and so she answered, "It's because I love Jesus Christ!"  The HR sort of recoiled and said, "Whoa, we can't talk about that here."  I guess HR was just covering their butt, but I didn't think she said anything wrong.  I maybe could've understood had she been proselytizing to a captive audience, but she merely answered his question.  Anyway, my colleague wasn't sure what to say, and wasn't sure if she was in some kind of trouble, so I just casually said, "Hey, you asked and she answered. At any rate, Christians have been thrown to the lions, beheaded, had their innards ripped out, and crucified for 2,000 years. You may as well give up on silencing us." The HR said, "You gotta point."  I honestly don't think anything will come of it and honestly do not care if they make it into something.  I just wonder if I said too much or not enough?

As someone that has to take a course yearly on this topic, unless the HR person is a lunatic, he or she is grateful for your response. He or she cannot show any bias on this topic. The less said to she or he, the less likely he or she will be accused as having a pro-Christian bias in hiring, firing, and promotions.

I think you said more than was necessary, but theoretically it might be helpful for the HR person.

Just a quick thought.

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 01:07:29 AM »
All fine, except in a secular environment, perhaps it would have been better not to bring up persecution in such a way. It makes it sound more like you are equating being thrown to lions, beheaded, having innards thrown out, and being crucified to simply leaving religious talk out of a secular workplace. which made what you were saying sound hostile.

I don't know what your manager is like, but I probably would not have said the same thing lol (but perhaps i should)
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 08:48:39 AM »
Gabriel do you work at Lowes?

 Going on 20 years now.  :)  You too?
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 08:57:33 AM »
Gabriel do you work at Lowes?
How did you guess that from his antecdote?
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2013, 11:42:25 AM »
Opus and Gunnar,

Thanks for your input, fellas.  I was feeling kind of proud of myself but in my zealousness came off sounding like I was comparing myself to the martyrs.  Thanks for humbling me.
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2013, 11:59:51 AM »
Dont worry, there is always an atheist hiding in a corner waiting to get offended so they can buy themselves a new wardrobe. Be warned.

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2013, 12:14:35 PM »
My HR Mgr asked a fellow associate why she was always smiling and in a good mood and so she answered, "It's because I love Jesus Christ!"  The HR sort of recoiled and said, "Whoa, we can't talk about that here."  I guess HR was just covering their butt, but I didn't think she said anything wrong.  I maybe could've understood had she been proselytizing to a captive audience, but she merely answered his question.  Anyway, my colleague wasn't sure what to say, and wasn't sure if she was in some kind of trouble, so I just casually said, "Hey, you asked and she answered. At any rate, Christians have been thrown to the lions, beheaded, had their innards ripped out, and crucified for 2,000 years. You may as well give up on silencing us." The HR said, "You gotta point."  I honestly don't think anything will come of it and honestly do not care if they make it into something.  I just wonder if I said too much or not enough?

Rather tangential, but a coworker who splits her duties between assisting the HR Manager and the CEO/Sales dept wore this brown-ish shirt with a huge Occitan style cross (I think it was - had point ends, but had the usual longer lower length and not equal lengths).  I doubt she thought the shirt/sweater was anything other than some fashionable shirt, but I was mildly amused by how blatant it was.  I'm guessing some designer was trying to be trendy with some faux-medieval soldier look.  I have no idea if the HR guy cared or said anything to her.  It just happened to catch my attention.

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2013, 01:54:03 PM »
Gabriel do you work at Lowes?

 Going on 20 years now.  :)  You too?


How did you guess that from his antecdote?

A-Rock told me.

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2013, 02:02:36 PM »
Gabriel do you work at Lowes?

 Going on 20 years now.  :)  You too?


How did you guess that from his antecdote?

A-Rock told me.

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2013, 10:55:19 PM »
Opus and Gunnar,

Thanks for your input, fellas.  I was feeling kind of proud of myself but in my zealousness came off sounding like I was comparing myself to the martyrs.  Thanks for humbling me.

multiple question marks -- I thought you did fine in this circumstance, we cannot prepare for such events and you could have done much worse. You needed to  reply and I would have as well and I am not as thoughtful as you are.

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2013, 11:28:12 PM »
You spoke plainly and reasonably and clearly weren't rude (it sure didn't come off that way).  Plus, if the guy was really perturbed by the answer, he shouldn't have asked, which you pointed out first.  If you hadn't lead off with that, I think things could have been perceived differently had you started with the second part first. As has already been mentioned, you stuck up for a coworker which speaks volumes of your character. How many people throw their coworkers under the bus just so they can get ahead?
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2013, 11:42:32 PM »
My HR Mgr asked a fellow associate why she was always smiling and in a good mood and so she answered, "It's because I love Jesus Christ!"  The HR sort of recoiled and said, "Whoa, we can't talk about that here."  I guess HR was just covering their butt, but I didn't think she said anything wrong.  I maybe could've understood had she been proselytizing to a captive audience, but she merely answered his question.  Anyway, my colleague wasn't sure what to say, and wasn't sure if she was in some kind of trouble, so I just casually said, "Hey, you asked and she answered. At any rate, Christians have been thrown to the lions, beheaded, had their innards ripped out, and crucified for 2,000 years. You may as well give up on silencing us." The HR said, "You gotta point."  I honestly don't think anything will come of it and honestly do not care if they make it into something.  I just wonder if I said too much or not enough?

The Spirit gave you the fortitude to speak up, you had words you needed to say, and you said them.  Something will come of it, but that something is a transformation of thought in your workplace, even if just within one person.  You said enough for the time, but you may need to say more later.  Remain prayerful and diligent and the Lord will lead you.  Glory to God in all things.     

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2013, 12:40:21 AM »
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2013, 12:43:51 AM »
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Exactly . Plus someone saying I'm in love with Jesus or something sounds just not right.

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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2013, 01:24:16 AM »
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Exactly . Plus someone saying I'm in love with Jesus or something sounds just not right.

Do you mean like what the priest says at every single Liturgy:  "I love you Lord, my strength.  The Lord is my rock, refuge and firm foundation"? 

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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2013, 01:35:05 AM »
#firstworldmartyrdom


Martyrs are made, not born. It starts with something as simple as what Gabriel did here. If we are afraid to profess Christ in the workplace, then I doubt if we'll be prepared to profess Him when a sword is upon our necks. And believe me, living in a "firstworld" country does not make one immune from martyrdom. In fact, "firstworlds" are usually the biggest purveyors of true Christian persecution. It's just that "firstworlds" don't make movies about the true martyrs they produce. They're too busy producing hagiographies of Che Guevara, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama.


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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2013, 04:11:06 AM »
Sounds ok. People shounldn't ask questions unless they expect an answer.
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Re: What should I have said?
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2013, 07:45:24 AM »
In fact, "firstworlds" are usually the biggest purveyors of true Christian persecution. It's just that "firstworlds" don't make movies about the true martyrs they produce. They're too busy producing hagiographies of Che Guevara, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama.

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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2013, 08:26:50 AM »
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