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« on: April 09, 2006, 03:27:25 AM »

Has anyone heard of Hellenic College? http://www.hellenic.hchc.edu/
I wonder if there are other Orthodox Christians colleges in the United States, perhaps closer to my town.

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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2006, 03:41:11 AM »

Has anyone heard of Hellenic College? http://www.hellenic.hchc.edu/
I wonder if there are other Orthodox Christians colleges in the United States, perhaps closer to my town.

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Hellenic College (someone will correct me if I'm wrong) is the secular (or maybe I should say non-Divinity school) twin of Holy Cross, the GOA Seminary.  GiS, cleveland and chris attend Holy Cross.  Have you been hiding under a rock?  It has existed for many years.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2006, 03:44:18 AM »

Is it the only Orthodox college in the country?
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2006, 03:45:30 AM »

Is it the only Orthodox college in the country?

Non-seminary?  I think so.  St. Vlad's has a partner college (forget the name) for undergrad and maybe St. Tihkon's and St. Herman's do to.  Not sure though.
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2006, 03:48:03 AM »

I bet this college must be expensive. I'm signing up to be in the substance-free dorm at Evergreen. Maybe going there won't be so bad after all. May God protect my soul.  Embarrassed

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2006, 04:47:48 AM »

Has anyone heard of Hellenic College? http://www.hellenic.hchc.edu/
I wonder if there are other Orthodox Christians colleges in the United States, perhaps closer to my town.

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I've had a look at the site, and I can't find any of the subjects that they actually teach. I'm lost. Please help.
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2006, 06:33:54 AM »

Hellenic College is the undergraduate institution of Holy Cross (which is a graduate theological school).  It is the only accredited Orthodox undergraduate school in the country.  There are both "religiou" and "non-religious" degrees in Hellenic College (6 total degrees):

Classics, Elementary Education, Human Development, Management & Leadership, Management Information Systems, and Religious Studies (the "A" track is for seminarians, and the "B" track is for non-seminarians, with the difference boiling down to the amount of required Greek and Chant in the program).
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2006, 01:07:25 PM »

Mathew, correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to think college is some dark evil place, unless it is a "Christian" or "Orthodox" college.  I know that is probably how it looks in the movies where all they show is frat parties, but there is another side.  It is like the real world; you've got every one from the fundie zelous to the soundly agnostic to the people who are driffting threw life and are only at college because a great-grandfather donated a lot of money.  Don't limit yourself to an Orthodox college if it doesn't offer the degree that you are wanting.
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2006, 10:46:35 PM »

Actually I hate to burst your bubble Cleveland but there is another orthodox Undergraduate school that is accredited.  

St. Sava Serbian Orthodox School of Theology which is in Libertyville IL, (north of Chicago) is an undergraduate degree in Divinity.  It's basically a further education school for guys from Serbia, but it is an accredited "college" but actually it's more of a School of Theology than an "undergraduate" school per se
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2006, 11:08:57 PM »

Mathew, correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to think college is some dark evil place, unless it is a "Christian" or "Orthodox" college.  I know that is probably how it looks in the movies where all they show is frat parties, but there is another side.  It is like the real world; you've got every one from the fundie zelous to the soundly agnostic to the people who are driffting threw life and are only at college because a great-grandfather donated a lot of money.  Don't limit yourself to an Orthodox college if it doesn't offer the degree that you are wanting.
Maybe he's not worried about the movie portrayal, but the fact that secularist colleges offer anti-Christian agendas.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2006, 03:08:25 AM »

Mathew, correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to think college is some dark evil place, unless it is a "Christian" or "Orthodox" college.

Usually, I would say that the opposite is true. I consider most private Christian colleges to be elitist and hypocritical. My biggest worry in transferring from a community college to the Evergreen State College is that it really is what people say it is, a haven for illicit drug use and extreme leftism.

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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2006, 02:18:22 PM »

Hellenic College offers a unique opportunity to be around Orthodox Christians from around the world who can help you form yourself.  We're all struggling, but we have each other and our faith which we ALL share.  It really is a unique opportunity.  I'm in my 4th year there and I really thank God every day that he hit me upside the head and made me come to Hellenic.  

If you want you could PM me and i'll be more than happy to share more of that story with you.  Personal examples always help me put things in perspective.   Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2006, 03:08:59 PM »

Usually, I would say that the opposite is true. I consider most private Christian colleges to be elitist and hypocritical. My biggest worry in transferring from a community college to the Evergreen State College is that it really is what people say it is, a haven for illicit drug use and extreme leftism.

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Just spend the extra 2000 a year and go to the University of Washington. Thats where I am, and I have to say for being a state university, its pretty tame, and great professors. Evergreen is just a dump, I couldnt even stand being there on a field trip in 8th grade...........
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2006, 03:38:47 PM »

Evergreen is just a dump, I couldnt even stand being there on a field trip in 8th grade...........

For the most part, Evergreen is a good school. I look forward to going there. I just hope that I get the "substance-free" dorm. Why would someone specifically sign up for this dorm if they are going to drink and smoke pot all the time?

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2006, 09:31:20 PM »

Besides, UW actually has a math requirement while Evergreen does not. Therefore, I'm going to Evergreen.

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2006, 11:35:43 AM »

At Hellenic we have only 1 math class that is required.  In this class we start with addition, subtraction.  we move on to multiplication and long devision.  The midterm is on fractions and we end the class with graphing.  That's it.  Then you're done with math for the rest of your life.  

Beat that!  Good ole' seminary requirements... Grin

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2006, 12:20:28 PM »

At Hellenic we have only 1 math class that is required.  In this class we start with addition, subtraction.

Because that's all the math you need to know to count the receipts from the Greek Festival and the raffles!  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2006, 12:24:55 PM »

Don't forget all the $$$ on the side from tips and services (weddings, funerals, baptisms, etc.)

How about the tray at the end of church?   Grin

Sometimes multiplication is good too.  For money laundering...i mean money managing purposes  Grin
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2006, 12:41:21 PM »

Besides, UW actually has a math requirement while Evergreen does not. Therefore, I'm going to Evergreen.

I take it you want a degree rather than an education.  Huh Suit yourself, I suppose.
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2006, 01:28:43 PM »

For the most part, Evergreen is a good school. I look forward to going there. I just hope that I get the "substance-free" dorm. Why would someone specifically sign up for this dorm if they are going to drink and smoke pot all the time?

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I think you need to relax a little. As was mentioned earlier... not every dorm is like animal house and even at the craziest "party schools" you can pretty easily find people to hang out with, if you keep your mind open a bit. Other than that...how about drinking with them on occasion, you may find that they're not all demonic and depraved people.
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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2006, 02:19:24 PM »

As someone who works in an advising role for a secular university, here is my .02.

There are many PROFESSORS that have an agenda (*ahem* leftist) to push and NOT THE INSTITUTION.  It depends on how many of these professors are collected in one place to create a bigger group that ultimately creates a reputation of a certain institution.

Speaking from experience, you will find druggies and harlots at the most conservative Christian institutions and politically and morally conservative folks at the most "liberal" institutions. Basically, if you are looking for it you will find it.

That said, I suggest you look for the institution that offers the degree program you wish to pursue. Plan a visit to not just the campus, but to the department you wish to study in.    I have seen too many students choose an institution based on Hersey (I went here because I wanted to part-ay or because of a certain professor or this institution has a ______ reputation for being conservative )  or blindly follow their friends.

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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2006, 02:32:08 PM »

I take it you want a degree rather than an education.  Huh Suit yourself, I suppose.

U.S. News and World Report rated Evergreen as the #1 learning environment in the nation. It's a pretty good school.

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2006, 02:45:06 PM »

U.S. News and World Report rated Evergreen as the #1 learning environment in the nation.

"learning environment". That's leftist speak for pinko, commie institutions teaching the "Liberal Arts"
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2006, 02:51:43 PM »

"learning environment". That's leftist speak for pinko, commie institutions teaching the "Liberal Arts"

Posts like this provide a caricature of conservatism. Are you sure you're not the Stephen Colbert of OC.net?

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2006, 03:08:29 PM »

Posts like this provide a caricature of conservatism. Are you sure you're not the Stephen Colbert of OC.net?

Nope. Just your standard, run of the mill, troublemaker.

But more to the point, Am I right?

"The Evergreen State College is a progressive, public liberal arts and sciences college located in Olympia, Washington, in the beautiful Pacific Northwest. "
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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2006, 03:20:45 PM »

Wouldn't Evergreen's "progressiveness" potentially provide a better education than other institutions?
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2006, 03:24:06 PM »

Wouldn't Evergreen's "progressiveness" potentially provide a better education than other institutions?

It's called POSITIONING. It's simply a label that the college uses to market itself as "different" and "better" than all those other, by implication, "stodgy" institutions.

Does not mean that they ARE better.
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2006, 03:29:59 PM »

Didn't you just quote a Wikipedia article anyway? Perhaps you should check this out:

"Princeton Review names Evergreen one of America's 'best value' colleges  
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OLYMPIA, Wash. — For the fourth year running, the Princeton Review has named The Evergreen State College one of the nation's "best value" four-year colleges. The New York-based education services company features Evergreen in the 2007 edition of its book, America's Best Value Colleges (Random House/Princeton Review, $18.95.)

"Being selected as one of the nation's best value colleges again this year makes clear our commitment to providing one of the best liberal arts educations in America, along with an equal commitment to remain as accessible as possible to students,” said Thomas L. "Les” Purce, Evergreen's president.

Evergreen joins the University of Washington, Washington State University and the University of Idaho as the only colleges in the Pacific Northwest to be selected. The guide profiles 150 public and private colleges in 40 states with excellent academics, generous financial aid packages and relatively low costs. Editors based their rankings on data obtained from administrators at more than 646 colleges and from surveys of students attending them.

"We considered over 30 factors to rate the colleges in four categories: academics, tuition GPA (the sticker price minus average amount students receive in scholarships and grants), the level of financial aid support and student borrowing,” explains Robert Franek, vice president for publishing at The Princeton Review. According to Franek, the company recommends the 150 schools in the book as America's best college education deals."
http://www.evergreen.edu/news/releases/mar06/princetonreview.htm

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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2006, 03:30:51 PM »

U.S. News and World Report rated Evergreen as the #1 learning environment in the nation. It's a pretty good school.

Without a math requirement, I seriously doubt it's a "pretty good school."  "Pretty good" schools don't let you blow off basic components of an education simply because you don't want to take a course in that area.  A "pretty good" school does the opposite and forces you to have at least a minimum exposure to fields other than your own.  It sounds like this school gives you a degree, not an education.
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2006, 03:36:30 PM »

A person can become educated without having to compute algebraic equations, especially if one's line of work would never necessitate doing so in the first place.
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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2006, 03:42:14 PM »

Didn't you just quote a Wikipedia article anyway?

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« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2006, 03:44:54 PM »

A person can become educated without having to compute algebraic equations, especially if one's line of work would never necessitate doing so in the first place.

Sure.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2006, 03:46:30 PM »

Well, during my field trip, we watched the Evergreen Drama Department act out "Othello". They'd "prepared it for months". They did not have the words memorized, they carried the scripts and read them out loud. Total theatrical abortion it was. Also, Evergreen does not have a foreign language, mathematic, or science requirement like UW does, which makes you wonder how "great of an institution it is" when it has the admission requirements of a Community College. See total dump like I said.

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Whats wrong with drinking? How can a person be Orthodox and not drink?
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« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2006, 03:50:46 PM »

Also, Evergreen does not have a foreign language, mathematic, or science requirement like UW does, which makes you wonder how "great of an institution it is" when it has the admission requirements of a Community College.

The reason for this is that Evergreen allows the student to plan his own program.

Whats wrong with drinking? How can a person be Orthodox and not drink?

I meant to recreationally drink, something which I do not want around me at all in my living environment.

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« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2006, 03:56:16 PM »

The reason for this is that Evergreen allows the student to plan his own program.

And you think THIS is a good idea for someone fresh out of high school? You think they have the knowledge to know what type of skills are required to succeed in the "real" world?

Geez. Like throwing pearls before swine.
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« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2006, 04:00:29 PM »

Geez. Like throwing pearls before swine.
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2006, 04:27:38 PM »

A person can become educated without having to compute algebraic equations, especially if one's line of work would never necessitate doing so in the first place.

No, you can't.  You can become trained for a certain field, certainly, but being educated is something far different.  A true education is comprehensive; it encompasses fields that the student won't necessarily deal with in his particular workplace.  An education that lets you discard mathematics and science entirely (along with their attendant logical rigor) isn't an education at all; it's nothing more than a glorified vocational program.
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Note to self..."M777 never invited over for dinner... the rest of you are... and bring a designated driver!!!"  Shocked

No true Orthodox Christian would sit back and take the nomination to be designated driver and lose out on the fun, this is why God made Taxi Companies. Cheesy
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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2006, 06:39:41 PM »

No, you can't.  You can become trained for a certain field, certainly, but being educated is something far different.  A true education is comprehensive; it encompasses fields that the student won't necessarily deal with in his particular workplace.  An education that lets you discard mathematics and science entirely (along with their attendant logical rigor) isn't an education at all; it's nothing more than a glorified vocational program.

Completely concur.  There is so much "dumbing down" and PC crap in (what is considered "higher") education these days just because "math is hard" and we don't insult someone or actually struggle to learn something.
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« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2006, 10:01:03 PM »

Completely concur.  There is so much "dumbing down" and PC crap in (what is considered "higher") education these days just because "math is hard" and we don't insult someone or actually struggle to learn something.
The more slivo you have at my place, the harder math becomes!  Wink
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« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2006, 02:20:05 AM »

 An education that lets you discard mathematics and science entirely (along with their attendant logical rigor) isn't an education at all; it's nothing more than a glorified vocational program.

I have taken anthropology and geology, am currently in ecology and will probably take either astronomy or chemistry this summer. At Evergreen, I hope to continue taking science classes. But when it comes to math, I'm just not interested in what I cannot use.

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« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2006, 02:21:26 AM »

No true Orthodox Christian would sit back and take the nomination to be designated driver and lose out on the fun, this is why God made Taxi Companies. Cheesy

Both sides of my family are alcoholic and alcoholism is a genetic condition. Your statement, to me, is entirely offensive and asinine.

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« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2006, 02:26:04 AM »

And you think THIS is a good idea for someone fresh out of high school? You think they have the knowledge to know what type of skills are required to succeed in the "real" world?

"Many students ask "Do I really only take one class at Evergreen?"

The answer is yes. We call them programs.

Instead of taking several classes at once, at Evergreen you select an academic program where you will learn how to explore a central idea or theme that's interesting to you.

Faculty members from different subject areas teach in teams, each drawing on several disciplines to help you develop critical tools to navigate the real-world issues that we face today — issues like health care in the United States, the search for oil worldwide, or artistic expression across cultures.

Programs include lectures, labs, readings, seminars, field study, or research projects, and may last one, two or even three quarters, building on themes developed in previous quarters."
http://www.evergreen.edu/freshman/programs.htm

This is the available freshman programs:
http://www.evergreen.edu/freshman/core.htm

It's really not as scary as one would think.

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« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2006, 10:40:12 AM »

The more slivo you have at my place, the harder math becomes!  Wink

I thought it became easier??  Just the grades became worse??  Wink Wink
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« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2006, 10:59:56 AM »

I thought it became easier??  Just the grades became worse??  Wink Wink
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« Reply #47 on: April 12, 2006, 12:13:57 PM »

You're going to take chemistry but not math?!  Um... I don't know about the chemistry program at Evergreen, but at my university, about half or more of the chemistry class was math.
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« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2006, 12:24:27 PM »

I have taken anthropology and geology, am currently in ecology and will probably take either astronomy or chemistry this summer. At Evergreen, I hope to continue taking science classes. But when it comes to math, I'm just not interested in what I cannot use.

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Astronomy requires math...even basic astronomy requires a good knowledge of Algebra/Trig.  Even the knowledge of Algebra/Trig among the majority of college students these days is rather poor.  A good knowledge of math up through pre-Calc should be required of all college students (by the end of college).  It will help you in your life no matter what your profession ends up being...a lot more than you may think.  The USA is greatly behind other industrialized nations in this aspect.
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« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2006, 12:29:53 PM »

...which is why I'm an English major.
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« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2006, 02:45:01 PM »

You're going to take chemistry but not math?!  Um... I don't know about the chemistry program at Evergreen, but at my university, about half or more of the chemistry class was math.

Yeah, same with me. I completed an engineering major with minors in chemistry and mathematics, and really didn't have to take too much additional coursework to get this done. It seemed like maybe only adding 18-21 credits of work (over 4 years, not that hard...)
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« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2006, 02:56:15 PM »

Astronomy requires math...even basic astronomy requires a good knowledge of Algebra/Trig. ÂÂ

Why isn't there a math prerequisite for the class at SFCC? (Maybe you shouldn't answer that.)

It will help you in your life no matter what your profession ends up being...a lot more than you may think.

I've heard that math helps a person become a better analytical thinker, which is something I could use for journalism, philosophy and theology.
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« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2006, 03:14:32 PM »

Why isn't there a math prerequisite for the class at SFCC? (Maybe you shouldn't answer that.)

Last Astronomy class I took (which happened to be on the Theories of Relativity) required me to use all three semesters of calculus, diff eq, linear algebra, and even group theory from Abstract Algebra, and I have to say that I dont think I could have got my mind around the concepts without upper divison topology and theoretical geometry courses. Sounds like your 'Astronomy' class is nothing more than a joke.


Personally, matthew, I dont think you've ever taken any Mathematics and, accordingly, are in no posistion to judge the value of the field. I'm sorry but the typical three semesters of calculus, diff eq, and linear algebra dont pass for math, when you take a few topology, theoretical geometry, real analysis, number theory, or abstract algebra classes (or gain an equivalent knowlege) let me know, then we can talk...until then you just dont have the experience to present a well informed opinion on the matter.
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« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2006, 03:43:28 PM »

Personally, matthew, I dont think you've ever taken any Mathematics and, accordingly, are in no posistion to judge the value of the field.

I placed into intermediate algebra and doubt that it's necessary for news reporters. I could, however, be mistaken.

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« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2006, 04:39:28 PM »

I placed into intermediate algebra and doubt that it's necessary for news reporters. I could, however, be mistaken.

Well, sounds like you have a couple years of work before you can get to real mathematics; however, with that said, I really dont know how someone could function in life in this day and age without at least a moderate understanding of algebra.
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« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2006, 06:18:05 PM »

Well, sounds like you have a couple years of work before you can get to real mathematics; however, with that said, I really dont know how someone could function in life in this day and age without at least a moderate understanding of algebra.

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« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2006, 11:16:07 PM »

Matthew777,
I completely agree with others, who have said that we all need education, not just degrees. I cannot agree more. Nevertheless, degrees are needed as a certification of abilities. It is a sad truth that some people can be very smart, but without degrees they would not get better jobs due to the lack of paper.
Unless the college has 50 students only, you will find good friends anyway. I concur with that aspect as well.
And one more thing. Some qualitative programs may seem great, but the number of jobs on these occupations is minimal or pretty much absent. Please try to avoid this danger.
Feel free to PM me if you will have any questions. Best of luck and success with your school! May God help you!
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« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2006, 11:51:11 PM »

Well, sounds like you have a couple years of work before you can get to real mathematics; however, with that said, I really dont know how someone could function in life in this day and age without at least a moderate understanding of algebra.

My mom manages to while doing all her own book keeping for her travel agency business and all her and dad's personal finances (and maybe his insurance and financial planning business)...I don't really understand either.  I guess it is just a matter of being REALLY good at balancing one's checkbook.  No rock unturned.
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« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2006, 11:51:58 PM »

Last Astronomy class I took (which happened to be on the Theories of Relativity) required me to use all three semesters of calculus, diff eq, linear algebra, and even group theory from Abstract Algebra, and I have to say that I dont think I could have got my mind around the concepts without upper divison topology and theoretical geometry courses. Sounds like your 'Astronomy' class is nothing more than a joke.


Personally, matthew, I dont think you've ever taken any Mathematics and, accordingly, are in no posistion to judge the value of the field. I'm sorry but the typical three semesters of calculus, diff eq, and linear algebra dont pass for math, when you take a few topology, theoretical geometry, real analysis, number theory, or abstract algebra classes (or gain an equivalent knowlege) let me know, then we can talk...until then you just dont have the experience to present a well informed opinion on the matter.

I will actually agree for the most part, but not go quite that far.
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« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2006, 12:09:21 AM »

I placed into intermediate algebra and doubt that it's necessary for news reporters. I could, however, be mistaken.

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You BETTER believe it is important!  M777, something you need to understand (and everyone else for that matter) is that written (and visual) media sources (the Newspress being the biggest culprit) is absolutely riddled with poor reporting involving any type of quantifiable analysis.  It ranges from the sciences to history, business, economics, demographics...you name it!  Mistakes include:  false assumptions, faulty reasoning, incorrect understandings of basic economics, misleading numbers and conclusions, bad data and just poor analyses to name just a few!  I just read an article on supposed over/under priced realestate the other day.  The other was trying to show which Metro areas were the most under/overpriced based on some "equilibrium" value he calculated for each area.  The problem was, there was absolutely no reference to HOW this "equilibrium" value was calculated or his methodology (not even a vague idea), no reference to the source of ANY of his data and other questions could be made.  The media frequently seems to think that since they are the media, then what they say is gospel.

Why isn't there a math prerequisite for the class at SFCC? (Maybe you shouldn't answer that.)
Because as GiC said, it is a poor quality class.  In my freshman year at UC Santa Barbara 12 years ago (or maybe it was Soph), I took an Astronomy class as a general science "GE" (General Ed).  I think the math pre-req was at least intermediate/advanced Algebra and Trigonometry.  Mathematically, the class was a joke compared to my Physics classes which required a semester of Calc for the first class and increased the amount of Calc for the other two classes in the sequence.

I've heard that math helps a person become a better analytical thinker, which is something I could use for journalism, philosophy and theology.
It is something that should even be required but isn't!  A classmate of mine in my statistics classes in college was doubling in Stats and Sociology.  The stats course she had to take through the Sociology Dept she said was a joke.  People were misusing stats and using faulty reasoning left and right.  
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« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2006, 05:19:24 PM »

You BETTER believe it is important!  M777, something you need to understand (and everyone else for that matter) is that written (and visual) media sources (the Newspress being the biggest culprit) is absolutely riddled with poor reporting involving any type of quantifiable analysis.

That's definitely worth considering. The problem is how terribly frustrating math is for me, enough to want to pull my hair out. I actually feel relieved in going to Evergreen.
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« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2006, 06:09:31 PM »

That's definitely worth considering. The problem is how terribly frustrating math is for me, enough to want to pull my hair out. I actually feel relieved in going to Evergreen.

Then take comfort in the fact that you are not the only one...and that it is an educational challenge to overcome. ÂÂ Math used to be something that women were in a sense discriminated against. ÂÂ When they were young, mean spirited or bad teachers would just tell women that they weren't smart or would never learn just because they may not have understood a concept right away.  I didn't really understand this until a (female) classmate in college told me how that she wanted to get a math major (or minor) just because it was a challenge when she was younger, partially because of what I explained above.

As with almost any subject, a teacher can make or break the class for you...both in the textbook/subject matter and how the teacher presents the material.  You can have all 4 combinations of easy/hard teaching with learning/not learning material.

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« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2006, 07:18:51 PM »

I don't think I've ever had a particularly good math teacher.
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« Reply #64 on: April 18, 2006, 01:42:17 PM »

I detest math myself, as having had bad protestant math teachers my whole life. I attended private (prot) school and then went to the corresponding university (a misnomer there)  My scholarship got pulled when my father was laid off, and I have yet to go back.  Yet this same college is the only one that has any sort of decent degree by distance.  What real life person has the time to waste sitting in a classroom?  Even if I were single and without children I would not go back in the classical sense.  I think I would CLEP and opt/test out.  Too many young people today sit in classes for years on end and haven't got a lick of sense to show for any of it.  We have 5 colleges in this town, and the attendees are atrocious.
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« Reply #65 on: April 18, 2006, 03:17:17 PM »

Matthew, I had never heard of Evergreen, but I like th idea of choosing your  program and going from there.  I also had questions about Hellenic, and had never heard of it until they sent some literature to my son a few months ago.  He goes to University of St.Paul in Ottawa.  He is studying Eastern Christian Theology at Sheptytsky Institute as a freshman undergrad, and he loves it there. BTW, he doesn't thave to take a math, either.  But he may have to learn Ukrainian.  Wink
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« Reply #66 on: April 19, 2006, 12:50:19 AM »

What real life person has the time to waste sitting in a classroom? ÂÂ
With all the respect, I very strongly disagree. One of the main reasons, why education is valid, is a possibility of a better job. Unless classes are useless, siting in the classroms does make sense. I am not saying it is necessarily easy. Furthermore, circumstances sometimes make study impossible.
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« Reply #67 on: April 19, 2006, 01:21:04 PM »

With all the respect, I very strongly disagree. One of the main reasons, why education is valid, is a possibility of a better job. Unless classes are useless, siting in the classroms does make sense. I am not saying it is necessarily easy. Furthermore, circumstances sometimes make study impossible.

Well, there are some professional students (i.e., the man with three Bachelors degrees, two Masters degrees, and two Doctorates) who would probably do well to leave school and actually make a life for themselves in the workplace.  Of course, such people often become professors, so I can't knock the professional student too much.
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« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2006, 07:51:12 AM »

Well, there are some professional students (i.e., the man with three Bachelors degrees, two Masters degrees, and two Doctorates) who would probably do well to leave school and actually make a life for themselves in the workplace.  Of course, such people often become professors, so I can't knock the professional student too much.

We have a professor at Hellenic who is purported to hold some sort of record for the number of degrees accumulated; she tells her classes that they should keep going for education, but that they should stop after 1 doctorate - and she admits that all the studying and extra school ruined here sociability.  There just has to be some point when people are forced to go out and apply their education somehow, instead of allowing them to continue to accumulate fancy papers and extra letters after their names.
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« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2006, 12:10:20 AM »

she has 9 doctorates ....fyi
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« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2006, 12:32:28 AM »

Matthew, I had never heard of Evergreen, but I like th idea of choosing your  program and going from there.

If your son chooses Evergreen, I would have to recommend the substance-free dorm. It's a must.
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