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« on: April 01, 2006, 07:32:02 AM »

Islam enshrines discrimination. Here's just within one field; the law
"...the testimony of a non-Muslim was not allowed in a Muslim shari'ah court, so if a Jew or Christian had a case against a Muslim, he would have to get Muslim witnesses..."
http://www.secularislam.net/archives/000017.html
 
"Under Islamic law statutes, the testimony of a Christian or any other non-Muslim carries only half the legal weight of a Muslim witness in a sharia court. So al-Muhtadi insisted that the judge must count his testimony as a Muslim to be stronger evidence than anything testified by his Christian sister...."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005399.php
"Ibn Timiyya emphasizes forcefully in Volume 14,
 
"Nothing in the law of Muhammad states that the blood of the disbeliever is equal to the blood of the Muslim because faith is necessary for equality. The people of the Covenant (Jews or Christians) do not believe in Muhammad and Islam, thus their blood and the Muslim’s blood cannot be equal. These are distinctive texts which indicate that a Muslim is not to be put to death for (murdering) one of the people of the covenant or an unbeliever, but a free Muslim must be killed for a free Muslim, regardless of the race" (Vol. 14, p. 85)."
http://www.amefufuka.com/islam/btv4.php
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2006, 08:04:07 PM »

"Nothing in the law of Muhammad states that the blood of the disbeliever is equal to the blood of the Muslim because faith is necessary for equality. The people of the Covenant (Jews or Christians) do not believe in Muhammad and Islam, thus their blood and the Muslim’s blood cannot be equal.

Now here's something I can agree with the Moslems on...the Blood of a Moslem is not equal to the Blood of a non-Moslem, and thus it is impossible for a mon-Moslem to commit a 'crime' against a Moslem.
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2006, 09:01:27 PM »

Now here's something I can agree with the Moslems on...the Blood of a Moslem is not equal to the Blood of a non-Moslem, and thus it is impossible for a mon-Moslem to commit a 'crime' against a Moslem.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2006, 04:39:34 AM »

Are women equal in Islam? "Men have fear of your Lord, who created you from a single soul. From that soul He created its mate and through them He bestrewed the earth with countless men and women" (Sura 4:1). This clearly suggests that men and women were created from the same substance. Muslims will point to this as 'proof' that men and women are considered equal in Islam. However, Sura 2:228 states "Women shall with justice have rights similar to those exercised against them, although men have a status above women." However this difference in status runs much deeper. In legal testimony, "Call in two male witnesses from among you, but if two men cannot be found, then one man and two women whom you judge fit to act as witnesses" (Sura 2:282), in other words a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's.
 
Can Muslim women be beaten? "Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them" (Sura 4:34) (though some Islamic scholars claim that this is a symbolic 'beating' only where-by the husband just 'taps' his wife on the arm. Although the wording does not say it should be but a symbolic tap, it should be noted anyway that it still points to male domination over women. (and it is an interpretation that is in the minority)
 
It is clear that Muhammed 'loved' women, he kept nine wives and numerous concubines. But is this love? What did he invoke his followers to do? "Omar reported from the Holy Prophet (Muhammed) who said, 'No man shall be questioned for beating his wife.'" (Al Hadis, Vol. 1, p. 215)
"The prophet said: 'When a man calls his wife to bed and she does not come, the husband spends the night being angry with her, and the angels curse her until morning. The one who is in heaven is displeased with her until the husband is pleased with her.'"(Sahih hadith, chapter 558)
 
"The Prophet (Muhammed) said: 'I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful.' It was asked, 'Do they disbelieve in Allah?' (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, 'They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favours and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you.'" (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 1:2:28)
 
"Abu Sayeed al-Khodri reported that Muhammed was talking to a group of women when he said, '... I see the majority of you will go to Hell.' The women asked why, to which Muhammed responded, 'You often curse and are ungrateful to your companions.' He then told them they had a basic defect in their nature, to which they responded, 'How?' Muhammed answered, 'Is not the attestation (knowledge and witness) of a women only worth half of a man's? And that is on account of her short intelligence.'"(Al-Hadis, Vol. 3, p. 137)
 
Okay, so these words of Islam were written years ago. What relevance do they have today? Can I remind you that the Koran is seen as the word of their god. To question it is to commit blasphemy. The Haddiths are the doings of Muhammed. Moslems believe that he was the most perfect of men, that his example should be followed. In Islam, women are clearly inferior to Men.
The list goes on...
 
"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence' ... 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'?Sahih Bukhari, Arabic-English translation, 1 Hadith No. 301. See also vol. 3, Hadith No. 826.
"The prophet of Allah said: When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven."
Mishkat al-Masabih, English translation, Book I, Section 'Duties of husband and wife', Hadith No. 61
 
Islam protects children is another claim made. In pre-Islamic Arabia there was the frequent practice of female infanticide; the killing of unwanted female children. Islam stopped this. But how does Islam evoke protection of female children?
Let’s look at the Haddiths (Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Narrated 'Aisha')
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64

A Muslim man can curb a Chrisitan wife's free practice of her faith....
 
2 — Islam allows marriage to a Christian or Jewish woman, i.e., it permits a man to marry such a woman whilst she continues to follow her religion. The husband does not have the right to force her to become Muslim, or to stop her worshipping in her own way. But he does have the right to forbid her to go out of the house, even if she is going to go out to go to church, because she is commanded to obey him. He also has the right to forbid her to commit evil openly in the house, such as setting up statues or ringing bells.
That also includes celebrating innovated festivals, such as Easter, because that is an evil action according to Islam, in two ways
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=70177&dgn=4
 
Not only can he forbid her from going out...
"It is not permissible for a Muslim to allow his wife from among the People of the Book to celebrate her festivals in his home,"
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&QR=3320

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