montalban,
Even if we were to assume for arguments sake that people were as stupid as you are to have actually interpreted that to be my actual position, it still wouldn't constitute a straw man fallacy. You have no grasp on basic logic whatsoever, do you?
Given you've now renounced debate and content on name calling you've shown your true colours.
Anyone who has been on this forum for longer than a month knows that I am anything but an islamic apologist. Anyone who possesses common sense, and has read my last 4-5 posts, knows that I have done anything but defend Islam. It is not my problem that you're too inept to see the basic point that i've been making for the past five posts, which regards not the validity or invalidity of the Qur'anic verses per se, but rather the validity or invalidity of using those vereses for objective polemical purposes.
What 'objective polemical purposes'? Given that this is a Christian forum where we all agree that the Koran's not of God. Given that the verses contained therein are not of the same ilk as that in the Bible; considering one is inward criticism, and the other is not. I am not here to argue that the Koran is not from God, because we both accept this. I am here to argue that the Koran is full of hateful verses.
At best you claim that one verse in the Bible is the equal of the one in the Koran therefore a Moslem could say "But your verse is just as bad as ours". But you just repeating this ad infinitum doesn't say so. I've already pointed out the inward critique -v- outward slanging dichotomy. I've stated that the Koranic verse can't be viewed alone; because it's not just one repugnantly vindicitive verse.... I even gave more; it's part of a trend. It's why Moslems aren't supposed to take Jews and Christians as friends, but you ignore that.
Given also on another thread you had a problem defining 'an orthodox church' with 'the Orthodox Church', it's no wonder you're now in a rage.
For simplicity's sake I did but state a few examples. Later I showed more. Here's even more (some few are repeated) that show that the Jews are ignorant of the message of God by virtue that they are Jews, and not Moslems, or that they've concealed the word of God (which is why they're not Moslem).
Surah
Al Fatiha
Ayah [7]
The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [76]
And when they (Jews) meet those who believe (Muslims), they say, "We believe", but when they meet one another in private, they say, "Shall you (Jews) tell them (Muslims) what Allah has revealed to you [Jews, about the description and the qualities of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him , that which are written in the Taurat (Torah)], that they (Muslims) may argue with you (Jews) about it before your Lord?" Have you (Jews) then no understanding?
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [77]
Know they (Jews) not that Allah knows what they conceal and what they reveal?
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [78]
And there are among them (Jews) unlettered people, who know not the Book, but they trust upon false desires and they but guess.
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [80]
And they (Jews) say, "The Fire (i.e. Hell-fire on the Day of Resurrection) shall not touch us but for a few numbered days." Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him to them): "Have you taken a covenant from Allah, so that Allah will not break His Covenant? Or is it that you say of Allah what you know not?"
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [96]
And verily, you will find them (the Jews) the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who - ascribe partners to Allah (and do not believe in Resurrection - Magians, pagans, and idolaters, etc.). Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years. But the grant of such life will not save him even a little from (due) punishment. And Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [99]
And indeed We have sent down to you manifest Ayat (these Verses of the Qur'an which inform in detail about the news of the Jews and their secret intentions, etc.), and none disbelieve in them but Fasiqun (those who rebel against Allah's Command).
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [105]
Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) nor Al-Mushrikun (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, idolaters, polytheists, pagans, etc.) like that there should be sent down unto you any good from your Lord. But Allah chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [109]
Many of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish that if they could turn you away as disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from their ownselves, even, after the truth (that Muhammad Peace be upon him is Allah's Messenger) has become manifest unto them. But forgive and overlook, till Allah brings His Command. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things.
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [113]
The Jews said that the Christians follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); and the Christians said that the Jews follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); though they both recite the Scripture. Like unto their word, said (the pagans) who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they have been differing.
Surah Al-Baqarah
Ayah [116]
And they (Jews, Christians and pagans) say: Allah has begotten a son (children or offspring).Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience (in worship) to Him.
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [120]
Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) till you follow their religion. Say: "Verily, the Guidance of Allah (i.e. Islamic Monotheism) that is the (only) Guidance. And if you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) were to follow their (Jews and Christians) desires after what you have received of Knowledge (i.e. the Qur'an), then you would have against Allah neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper.
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [135]
And they say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided." Say (to them, O Muhammad Peace be upon him ), "Nay, (We follow) only the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham), Hanifa [Islamic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allah (Alone)], and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (those who worshipped others along with Allah - see V.2:105)."
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [140]
Or say you that Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob) and Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)] were Jews or Christians? Say, "Do you know better or does Allah (knows better...; that they all were Muslims)? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony [i.e. to believe in Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him when he comes, written in their Books. (See Verse 7:157)] he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do."
Note: this shows that Moslems believe that the prophets of old were Moslem.
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [142]
The fools (pagans, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say, "What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah [prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)] to which they were used to face in prayer." Say, (O Muhammad ) "To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a Straight Way."
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [144]
Verily! We have seen the turning of your (Muhammad's ) face towards the heaven. Surely, We shall turn you to a Qiblah (prayer direction) that shall please you, so turn your face in the direction of Al-Masjid- al-Haram (at Makkah). And wheresoever you people are, turn your faces (in prayer) in that direction. Certainly, the people who were given the Scriptures (i.e. Jews and the Christians) know well that, that (your turning towards the direction of the Ka'bah at Makkah in prayers) is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [145]
And even if you were to bring to the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) all the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they would not follow your Qiblah (prayer direction), nor are you going to follow their Qiblah (prayer direction). And they will not follow each other's Qiblah (prayer direction). Verily, if you follow their desires after that which you have received of knowledge (from Allah), then indeed you will be one of the Zalimun (polytheists, wrong-doers, etc.).
Surah
Al-Baqarah
Ayah [146]
Those to whom We gave the Scripture (Jews and Christians) recognise him (Muhammad or the Ka'bah at Makkah) as they recongise their sons. But verily, a party of them conceal the truth while they know it - [i.e. the qualities of Muhammad which are written in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)].
Surah
Al-'Imran
Ayah [19]
Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account.
You say you are not an Islamic apologist, then don't give an apology for Islam. So again a Jews calling on Jews to repent and to heed the word of God is in no way akin to a Moslem saying the Jews are donkeys for being essentially Jewish.