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« on: March 29, 2006, 02:18:03 AM »

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/936

Brussels Prosecutes Aramaic Priest and Fugitive for Islamophobia

From the desk of Paul Belien on Mon, 2006-03-27 13:35

One of the rare Belgian churches that is packed every weekend is the church of Saint Anthony of Padova in Montignies-sur-Sambre, one of the poorest suburbs of Charleroi, a derelict rust belt area to the south of Brussels. Holy Mass in Montignies is conducted in Latin and lasts up to four hours. Yesterday over 2,000 people attended the service by Father Samuel (Père Samuel). The priest’s sermon dealt with his persecution. The Belgian authorities are bringing the popular priest to court on charges of racism.

Father Samuel has been prosecuted for “incitement to racist hatred” by the Belgian government’s inquisition agency, the so-called Centre for Equal Opportunities and Opposition to Racism (CEOOR), because of a remark he made in a 2002 television interview when he said:

    “Every thoroughly islamized Muslim child that is born in Europe is a time bomb for Western children in the future. The latter will be persecuted when they have become a minority.”

 
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Last Thursday the Belgian judiciary decided that the priest will have to stand trial before the penal court in Charleroi. He reacted by repeating his time bomb statement and added that he would be honoured if he had to go to jail for speaking his mind. He added that Jesus, too, had been convicted. During yesterday’s sermon he called upon the faithful to accompany him to court. “We will turn this into an excursion, driving there in full buses.”

Father Samuel’s passport gives his name as Charles-Clément Boniface. That is not entirely correct. He was born in 1942 in Midyat, Turkey, as Samuel Ozdemir. The latter is a surname the priest dislikes because, he explains, it was imposed on his family by the Turks. Samuel was a Christian: “At home we spoke Aramaic, the language of Jesus.” The Aramaics are a Catholic minority in Syria and Turkey. They speak an old Semitic language, which Jesus and the apostles used and which Mel Gibson had his actors use in his movie The Passion of the Christ.

Young Samuel became a Catholic priest. In the mid-1970s he fled to Belgium, claiming that the Aramaic Christians were being persecuted in Turkey. He became a Belgian and adopted the surname of Boniface — “he who does good things.” He was appointed to the diocese of Tournai, but soon became caught up in the culture war between Christians and secularists. Tournai is a thoroughly secularised, modernist diocese. Father Samuel clashed with the bishop, who suspended him in 2001. He then bought the St-Antoine-de-Padoue church in Montignies-sur-Sambre. There he conducts the Mass according to the traditional rites of the Catholic Church.

Hundreds of faithful from all over the country and even from the north of France attend Sunday Mass in Montignies-sur-Sambre. The congregation includes African immigrants, a large number of young people and many young families with small children. In his sermons and on his website Father Samuel speaks out against secularism, but also fights on another front of the three-way culture war, warning against “the islamic invasion” of the West. He says he has witnessed in Turkey what the future has in store for Europe. He claims Muslims are invading Europe and warns for an impending civil war. According to Father Samuel “so-called moderate Muslims do not exist.”
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2006, 02:23:44 AM »

Eh, at least he's not afraid to speak the truth from the pulpit... too bad it will land him in jail.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2006, 02:37:52 AM »

Eh, at least he's not afraid to speak the truth from the pulpit... too bad it will land him in jail.

Exactly.  Aren't you glad you have your freedom of speech in the good ole' USA, everyone?

I like those charges...."racism" when he said nothing about any race of people but a religion.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2006, 07:06:41 AM »

 When I was in the military and had two stints of duty in Europe, I was really shocked to see how those "democracies" worked and how few civil liberties that they had---registering to live in a city, passports and mandatory ID Cards, very limited freedom of speech and thought.  I would imagine with the artificial European Union there will be a greater loss of those freedoms as the pressure to conform is increased. Also as there is a definite prejudice against the Traditional Religions of Europe  [Christianity and Judaism] and a leaning towards pampering or protection through extra rights---it is likely than Islam will soon have a more advantageous platform than the Christians of Europe to get their points of view and proselitizing out.

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2006, 09:39:56 AM »

From the accounts I've gotten from my friends that have visited Germany, they were shocked at how falsely "accepting" the people needed to be - there was social pressure, for example, for about every family, regardless of religion, to have a minorah in their house, and to visit any new Jewish families in the neighborhood, because they needed to be seen as "friendly to the Jews," and no one could sing patriotic German national songs or anything.  (Of course, in the privacy of their own bars, late at night, they would complain about how fake it is, and how they'd like to see a strong German nation again...)

This European philosophy, which really does impinge on people's freedom in order to conform to an overarching social standard, is pretty funny, if you ask me... of course, it's also like the ACLU's playbook in how they want to see America run.
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2006, 10:51:56 AM »

The Europeans have grown weak and they will get what they diserve on account of this...Islam will invade their cities, undermine their rule of law, and before you know it Moslems will be blowing themselves up in market places and schools and their streets will run red with blood...then we can sit back and say 'We told you so.' I wonder how much blood it will take before they realize that Islam is not only a cultural threat, but a security and military threat that should be dealt with accordingly. Hopefully we here in the states will realize enough of this to take a more militant approach to Islam. Even if our laws forbid us from persecuting Moslems in the states, we can still stop Islamic immigration and use the might of our arms to wage relentless and total war against it throughout the rest of the world.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2006, 12:12:12 PM »

As critical as I am of American foreign policy, this is a criticism of your current government, not of the "American ideal" and many aspects of your legal system.  While it's not perfect, many of your protections/liberties beat the hell out of pretty much anything else I've seen anywhere else (including here in Canada, where "freedom of speech" is, when you get right down to it, non-existant in our "Charter of Rights and Freedoms").  I think such freedoms are particularly valuable when the government is not avowedly Christian, and the population is religiously/morally/ethnically speaking, so diverse as to make a consensus on such things practically impossible.  On the balance I'm still happier here than I would be in the United States (having spent extended periods of time, up to four months at once, in the U.S.) both for practical and even some ideological reasons, but I do have to say I admire many of the central principles underlying American law.

However, I do find it depressing that so many of your great freedoms (esp. those contained in the Bill of Rights) are being very craftily undermined.  I will say no more than this, so as to not violate the "house rules" on political discussions.  I'd just implore good, idealistic Americans to not give up your rights.

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When it comes to "political correctness" aka. "tolerance run amok", Canada is somewhere between Europe and the United States.   Sadly, we do have "hate speech" laws here, which with time are now slowly being used to silence Christians who are not sufficiently obscure or sensitive in their descriptions of sins against nature (though I don't think it's been a big problem yet in relation to critiques of the "religion of peace.")  People here are not quite as cow towed as those in Europe though - when there was an attempt here in Ontario to allow family courts to administer family arbitrations on the basis of sharia law in the case of consenting Muslim families, people threw a fit and forced the provincial government to take action against this.
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2006, 12:23:15 PM »

I would imagine with the artificial European Union there will be a greater loss of those freedoms as the pressure to conform is increased. Also as there is a definite prejudice against the Traditional Religions of Europe  [Christianity and Judaism

I doubt Judaism will suffer, considering Austria and Germany's hate speech laws. In the last few weeks David Irving(a British citizcen and formerly a very well respected historian) has been sentenced to three years in jail for denying the official holocaust story. His comments were made well over ten years ago(while he was in Austria), but the Austrian government decided to arrest him on his last trip through Austria.

Germany has even stricter laws. If one denies the official holocaust story while OUTSIDE of Germany, then enters Germany at a later date, he can be arrested for hate speech.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2006, 12:48:21 PM »

The Europeans have grown weak and they will get what they diserve on account of this...Islam will invade their cities, undermine their rule of law, and before you know it Moslems will be blowing themselves up in market places and schools and their streets will run red with blood...then we can sit back and say 'We told you so.' I wonder how much blood it will take before they realize that Islam is not only a cultural threat, but a security and military threat that should be dealt with accordingly. Hopefully we here in the states will realize enough of this to take a more militant approach to Islam. Even if our laws forbid us from persecuting Moslems in the states, we can still stop Islamic immigration and use the might of our arms to wage relentless and total war against it throughout the rest of the world.

I think your verb tenses are a bit hasty...but probably a fair warning of what could happen if they aren't careful or do something soon.
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2006, 01:05:44 PM »

I doubt Judaism will suffer, considering Austria and Germany's hate speech laws. In the last few weeks David Irving(a British citizcen and formerly a very well respected historian) has been sentenced to three years in jail for denying the official holocaust story. His comments were made well over ten years ago(while he was in Austria), but the Austrian government decided to arrest him on his last trip through Austria.

Germany has even stricter laws. If one denies the official holocaust story while OUTSIDE of Germany, then enters Germany at a later date, he can be arrested for hate speech.

I guess I was fortunate not to have any political debates with anyone while I was there. Roll Eyes  Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if these laws were hypocritical and allowed Muslims to deny the Holocaust and make public statments call Jews and/or Christians "pigs" or whatever.
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2006, 03:47:41 PM »

As critical as I am of American foreign policy, this is a criticism of your current government, not of the "American ideal" and many aspects of your legal system.  While it's not perfect, many of your protections/liberties beat the hell out of pretty much anything else I've seen anywhere else (including here in Canada, where "freedom of speech" is, when you get right down to it, non-existant in our "Charter of Rights and Freedoms").  I think such freedoms are particularly valuable when the government is not avowedly Christian, and the population is religiously/morally/ethnically speaking, so diverse as to make a consensus on such things practically impossible.  On the balance I'm still happier here than I would be in the United States (having spent extended periods of time, up to four months at once, in the U.S.) both for practical and even some ideological reasons, but I do have to say I admire many of the central principles underlying American law.

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When it comes to "political correctness" aka. "tolerance run amok", Canada is somewhere between Europe and the United States.   Sadly, we do have "hate speech" laws here, which with time are now slowly being used to silence Christians who are not sufficiently obscure or sensitive in their descriptions of sins against nature (though I don't think it's been a big problem yet in relation to critiques of the "religion of peace.")  People here are not quite as cow towed as those in Europe though - when there was an attempt here in Ontario to allow family courts to administer family arbitrations on the basis of sharia law in the case of consenting Muslim families, people threw a fit and forced the provincial government to take action against this.

You should start a thread in the Politics Board - I'm interested in hearing your thoughts!
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2006, 08:21:45 AM »

Everyplace there's a Moslem, there's a war.
I thought Peace to be superior.
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2006, 08:28:23 AM »

The Europeans have grown weak and they will get what they diserve on account of this...Islam will invade their cities, undermine their rule of law, and before you know it Moslems will be blowing themselves up in market places and schools and their streets will run red with blood...then we can sit back and say 'We told you so.' I wonder how much blood it will take before they realize that Islam is not only a cultural threat, but a security and military threat that should be dealt with accordingly. Hopefully we here in the states will realize enough of this to take a more militant approach to Islam. Even if our laws forbid us from persecuting Moslems in the states, we can still stop Islamic immigration and use the might of our arms to wage relentless and total war against it throughout the rest of the world.

Let's play Cowboys & Moslems.
End of story.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2006, 11:53:29 AM »

Let's play Cowboys & Moslems.
End of story.

Well, I wasn't going to go so far as to propose we make a game out of it, but, what the heck, I'm in favour of whatever it takes to neutralize the Islamic threat.

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