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" A Catholic man who attacked his gay flatmate with a claw hammer while he slept has been found guilty of attempted murder, reports Press Association.
Joseph Williams, 21, was sentenced to 14 years in prison at the Old Bailey yesterday for the "life-altering" injuries he inflicted on Connor Huntley at the flat they shared in Margate, Kent in May last year. "



For more on this awful story...http://www.christiantoday.com/article/catholic.man.who.attacked.gay.flatmate.with.hammer.found.guilty.of.attempted.murder/40420.htm

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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake. 
Mor has an open appeal. This we knew already.

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Lord Have Mercy.

This should be a warning to every homophobic person and every clergy man/woman who support and preach homophobia.

Just because you believe that homosexual acts are sinful, DOESN'T give you any right whatsoever to attack people and threat their safety.


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Lord Have Mercy.

This should be a warning to every homophobic person and every clergy man/woman who support and preach homophobia.

Just because you believe that homosexual acts are sinful, DOESN'T give you any right whatsoever to attack people and threat their safety.
But, outside of the Westboro Baptist Church, who in the clergy is preaching homophobia? How do you even define homophobia?
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How is this Christian News?

How is this Christian news you ask ?

The man who committed such awful crime is a Christian and the man who was attacked is a gay man. To me, that is a Christian news. If you feel it is not, then please report me or use your power to move the thread to whatever section you think this thread should be.

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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake. 


He seem to have some mental issue, but who knows, maybe a homophobic priest took advantage of that and filled his head with all the homophobic nonsense. Nevertheless,  since the court sentenced this homophobic man to 14 years jail time, is enough to show that his mental issues didn't have that much of affect.


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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake. 

This is what happens when you undermine the monarchy of the father by asserting the eternal double procession of the Holy Spirit.

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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake.  


He seem to have some mental issue, but who knows, maybe a homophobic priest took advantage of that and filled his head with all the homophobic nonsense.
That has the appearance of idle speculation that has no support in the article and bears no relevance to this discussion, as far as I can see. I don't think it's fair to the readers of this article to use it as a launching board for a personal crusade against the windmills of your imagination (that is, the preaching of homophobia in our churches). If we know that a priest is preaching homophobia--whatever you mean by that, which you still haven't defined in response to my informal request--then maybe we can address that when the fact is revealed to us.
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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake.  


He seem to have some mental issue, but who knows, maybe a homophobic priest took advantage of that and filled his head with all the homophobic nonsense.
That has the appearance of idle speculation that has no support in the article and bears no relevance to this discussion, as far as I can see. I don't think it's fair to the readers of this article to use it as a launching board for a personal crusade against the windmills of your imagination (that is, the preaching of homophobia in our churches). If we know that a priest is preaching homophobia--whatever you mean by that, which you still haven't defined in response to my informal request--then maybe we can address that when the fact is revealed to us.

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How is this Christian News?

How is this Christian news you ask ?

The man who committed such awful crime is a Christian and the man who was attacked is a gay man. To me, that is a Christian news. If you feel it is not, then please report me or use your power to move the thread to whatever section you think this thread should be.



Most things in the news involve Christians, or people who are at least nominally Christian, but that doesn't make it "Christian news"
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How is this Christian News?

How is this Christian news you ask ?

The man who committed such awful crime is a Christian and the man who was attacked is a gay man. To me, that is a Christian news. If you feel it is not, then please report me or use your power to move the thread to whatever section you think this thread should be.



Most things in the news involve Christians, or people who are at least nominally Christian, but that doesn't make it "Christian news"

Then please report me to the moderator if you see that what I did is a violation of the forum rules. :)

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How is this Christian News?

How is this Christian news you ask ?

The man who committed such awful crime is a Christian and the man who was attacked is a gay man. To me, that is a Christian news. If you feel it is not, then please report me or use your power to move the thread to whatever section you think this thread should be.



Most things in the news involve Christians, or people who are at least nominally Christian, but that doesn't make it "Christian news"

Then please report me to the moderator if you see that what I did is a violation of the forum rules. :)

Neither kelly nor I alleged that you violated any forum rules, so please relax and stop with the defensive attitude. It only inflames this thread more than it already needs to be. 8)
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How is this Christian News?

How is this Christian news you ask ?

The man who committed such awful crime is a Christian and the man who was attacked is a gay man. To me, that is a Christian news. If you feel it is not, then please report me or use your power to move the thread to whatever section you think this thread should be.



Most things in the news involve Christians, or people who are at least nominally Christian, but that doesn't make it "Christian news"
The thread needs a poll. :P

Anyway, did the attacker claim he was doing it in the name of Christ? That's far different from a nominal person committing a heinous act, right?

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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake. 

This is what happens when you undermine the monarchy of the father by asserting the eternal double procession of the Holy Spirit.

I got a good chuckle out of that one haha!
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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake. 


He seem to have some mental issue, but who knows, maybe a homophobic priest took advantage of that and filled his head with all the homophobic nonsense. Nevertheless,  since the court sentenced this homophobic man to 14 years jail time, is enough to show that his mental issues didn't have that much of affect.



Do you have ANY evidence that such a thing happened?  If not, this is nothing more than mindless speculation and, as Mor said, a swipe for swipe's sake.

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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake. 

This is what happens when you undermine the monarchy of the father by asserting the eternal double procession of the Holy Spirit.

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How is this Christian News?

How is this Christian news you ask ?

The man who committed such awful crime is a Christian and the man who was attacked is a gay man. To me, that is a Christian news. If you feel it is not, then please report me or use your power to move the thread to whatever section you think this thread should be.

For all you know, you could accurately reword this to say, "The man who committed such awful crime is a straight man and the man who was attacked is a Christian."
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"After attacking Huntley, Williams called 999 to report the attack, and said his mental health had "deteriorated"....

Sounds like the guy needs psychiatric help.

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Maybe, but tell me what sane person would attack his roommate with a hammer? I am sick of the stigmatization of the mentally ill via acts like this that are committed by people who are clearly unbalanced (because, again, this is not the act of a sane man), but who through their unwillingness to accept responsibility for their actions feed into the public's fear that mental illness is a precursor or a cause of violence. My best friend during my high school years was diagnosed with schizophrenia at the age of 16 because he had begun having auditory hallucinations, but he was never violent. Incoherent or difficult to reach sometimes, yes, which is plenty scary on its own, but I am very wary of this rush to find a mental defect to explain away what this man or many others like him have done. The Colorado theater shooter comes to mind, and perhaps even the "Twinkie defense" of yore...methinks this is why there is a legal distinction to be made between someone who is mentally unbalanced to the point of not being able to form premeditation on the one hand (so I could see this man getting some kind of reduced sentence on the grounds of reduced mental capacity at the time of the act), and someone who is actually mentally incapable of distinguishing right from wrong (or else every serial killer or other sick person could claim such an exemption from punishment).

Bottom line: The guy himself does not say that his religion motivated the attack, but does want to mitigate what he did with claims about his mental state. Fine. Clearly, he is a sick man. That said, I hope they throw the book at him, or as much of the book as UK law allows.

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Dzheremi I've got to say, you have a point.
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I worry too. Two labels stick out in this dreadful story, 'mentally ill' and 'Catholic'. Professionally speaking those with mental illness are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators, yet Media reporting would have you believing the opposite. This not so much news reporting but propaganda in the guise of news reporting. And 'Catholic', what has that to do with ought. Like others, Catholics are sometimes victims and sometimes perpetrators. In this case does this have any more relevance than being left or right handed, short or tall, fat or thin, blue or brown eyed?


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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake. 

This is what happens when you undermine the monarchy of the father by asserting the eternal double procession of the Holy Spirit.
LOL!!!  This made me laugh.
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His Catholicism doesn't seem to have anything to do with the crime.  Just another swipe for swiping's sake. 


He seem to have some mental issue, but who knows, maybe a homophobic priest took advantage of that and filled his head with all the homophobic nonsense. Nevertheless,  since the court sentenced this homophobic man to 14 years jail time, is enough to show that his mental issues didn't have that much of affect.



What is "homophobic nonsense?"
Maybe, but tell me what sane person would attack his roommate with a hammer? I am sick of the stigmatization of the mentally ill via acts like this that are committed by people who are clearly unbalanced (because, again, this is not the act of a sane man), but who through their unwillingness to accept responsibility for their actions feed into the public's fear that mental illness is a precursor or a cause of violence. My best friend during my high school years was diagnosed with schizophrenia at the age of 16 because he had begun having auditory hallucinations, but he was never violent. Incoherent or difficult to reach sometimes, yes, which is plenty scary on its own, but I am very wary of this rush to find a mental defect to explain away what this man or many others like him have done. The Colorado theater shooter comes to mind, and perhaps even the "Twinkie defense" of yore...methinks this is why there is a legal distinction to be made between someone who is mentally unbalanced to the point of not being able to form premeditation on the one hand (so I could see this man getting some kind of reduced sentence on the grounds of reduced mental capacity at the time of the act), and someone who is actually mentally incapable of distinguishing right from wrong (or else every serial killer or other sick person could claim such an exemption from punishment).

Bottom line: The guy himself does not say that his religion motivated the attack, but does want to mitigate what he did with claims about his mental state. Fine. Clearly, he is a sick man. That said, I hope they throw the book at him, or as much of the book as UK law allows.

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This should be a warning to every homophobic person and every clergy man/woman who support and preach homophobia.

Just because you believe that homosexual acts are sinful, DOESN'T give you any right whatsoever to attack people and threat their safety.
But, outside of the Westboro Baptist Church, who in the clergy is preaching homophobia? How do you even define homophobia?

Are you kidding?  Once a week or so I read a story of one pastor or another (usually Baptist) saying something about how gays should be killed, or throne into pits, etc.
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Lord Have Mercy.

This should be a warning to every homophobic person and every clergy man/woman who support and preach homophobia.

Just because you believe that homosexual acts are sinful, DOESN'T give you any right whatsoever to attack people and threat their safety.
But, outside of the Westboro Baptist Church, who in the clergy is preaching homophobia? How do you even define homophobia?

Are you kidding?  Once a week or so I read a story of one pastor or another (usually Baptist) saying something about how gays should be killed, or throne into pits, etc.
Once a week or so, I read a story about how the Roman Catholic Church is an "anti-gay organization" and Christianity is a bigot religion, so I guess their are plenty of wackos on both sides of the fence.
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Lord Have Mercy.

This should be a warning to every homophobic person and every clergy man/woman who support and preach homophobia.

Just because you believe that homosexual acts are sinful, DOESN'T give you any right whatsoever to attack people and threat their safety.
But, outside of the Westboro Baptist Church, who in the clergy is preaching homophobia? How do you even define homophobia?

Are you kidding?  Once a week or so I read a story of one pastor or another (usually Baptist) saying something about how gays should be killed, or throne into pits, etc.


And here is an evidence to prove it...










They are trying to attack a bus with gay activists in it, and you can see Orthodox monks and priests among those who are attacking.







At least Westboro Baptist Church using words only, not going and trying to attack a bus or get a chair and throw it at people.

Nothing against Eastern Orthodoxy, but because some here claimed that only WBC are homophobic, I had to show them that is far from true.

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Oh dear, now a can of worms has been opened. I'm sure there will be many to discuss that incident, but it will not be me.
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If one wants to confess a pure doctrine of Orthodoxy, they should be careful not to refer to the earth as a planet, unlike the current Pope as well as Patriarch Kirill and Patriarch Bartholomew, who regularly speak in error when they refer to our planet earth.

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Raylight,

I'd be interested in seeing where you got those pictures and the actual context of what is going on.   There were priests among the Ukraine Protesters, but they weren't there to throw molotov cocktails, but to bring Christ's peace to a volatile situation.   Why are they there?

A.)  To do violence
B.)  To peacefully protest what they view as encroachment of Western Immorality (they wouldn't be totally wrong either)
C.) To be a force for calm in the midst of a potentially violent situation


If it is A, than of course that is wrong and you should know better and know that isn't what the Church is about.    If B or C, than I don't see a problem here.

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Thousands of anti-gay protesters riot in Georgia: Chaos on streets as Orthodox priests join march and threaten to lash gay pride activists with NETTLES



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2326215/Thousands-anti-gay-protesters-riot-Georgia-Chaos-streets-Orthodox-priests-join-march-threaten-lash-gay-pride-activists-NETTLES.html


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Lord Have Mercy.

This should be a warning to every homophobic person and every clergy man/woman who support and preach homophobia.

Just because you believe that homosexual acts are sinful, DOESN'T give you any right whatsoever to attack people and threat their safety.
But, outside of the Westboro Baptist Church, who in the clergy is preaching homophobia? How do you even define homophobia?

Are you kidding?  Once a week or so I read a story of one pastor or another (usually Baptist) saying something about how gays should be killed, or throne into pits, etc.


And here is an evidence to prove it...










They are trying to attack a bus with gay activists in it, and you can see Orthodox monks and priests among those who are attacking.







At least Westboro Baptist Church using words only, not going and trying to attack a bus or get a chair and throw it at people.

Nothing against Eastern Orthodoxy, but because some here claimed that only WBC are homophobic, I had to show them that is far from true.
Except that no one claimed that only the Westboro Baptist Church is homophobic. You seem to think that the majority of the clergy in the Orthodox Church are preaching homophobia, so I wanted you to prove it. One isolated case doesn't prove it.
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Except that no one claimed that only the Westboro Baptist Church is homophobic. You seem to think that the majority of the clergy in the Orthodox Church are preaching homophobia, so I wanted you to prove it. One isolated case doesn't prove it.

Indeed.

Violence is deplorable, no matter who is doing it.   Violence is not the answer to the agenda of Homosexual activists.   The Gospel is the answer.

What is your agenda, Raylight?   Your inner Spiritual conflict has messily played out on this board, and people have been trying to help you.   

What are you trying to accomplish?
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I want a vest like that.  Georgian has such a lovely alphabet. 
Mor has an open appeal. This we knew already.

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It's pretty, alright...but what most people don't realize is that there are at least 37 consonants on the back of that vest alone.

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I want a vest like that.  Georgian has such a lovely alphabet. 


You -really- want to walk around in a vest that says POLICE on it?


you could at least try for something slightly better, like 'King of the Universe'
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I want a vest like that.  Georgian has such a lovely alphabet. 


You -really- want to walk around in a vest that says POLICE on it?


you could at least try for something slightly better, like 'King of the Universe'

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Gonna need a bigger vest...