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the Crossing Wave game
« on: December 30, 2005, 11:33:30 AM »
I just heard about this recently. For anyone else out there who hasn't heard of it, this is what it is. During the service, someone randomly crosses him/herself to see if the people around you will follow. If they do, and then the people next to them do also, you have a "Crossing Wave" going.

I was a little surprised that someone would be irreverant enough to play games like this during Divine Liturgy. It did make me more aware of doing what I was doing, since I have a habit of following the lead of this one guy, who seems to be so confident.

I'm wondering, just how common is this? Am I the only one who hadn't heard of it? Or is this just some isolated game with those heretics up in Seattle? (love you Zebu!)

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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2005, 11:51:10 AM »
Which parish (OCA, Greek, Coptic, Antiochian) did you see this in?

Generally most people know when to cross themselves. Whyenever you hear anything relating to Trinity, God, the Panagia, or the saint of the day. Playing any sort of game is very irreverant during Liturgy unless ur like 2 years old.

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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2005, 12:09:05 PM »
Which parish (OCA, Greek, Coptic, Antiochian) did you see this in?

Generally most people know when to cross themselves. Whyenever you hear anything relating to Trinity, God, the Panagia, or the saint of the day. Playing any sort of game is very irreverant during Liturgy unless ur like 2 years old.

And watch the priest (and deacon).  When he crosses himself we should do likewise.

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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2005, 12:13:36 PM »
I can imagine that someone would do that - some sort of know-it-all or smartass would probably take the opportunity.

Now, I have noticed that sometimes people don't know that they are supposed to cross themselves, and when they see someone like the Psalti do it at the right time, they "catch up" - but there's no malicious or playful intent there.
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2005, 12:54:33 PM »
I can easily imagine teens playing at this.   ::)

Certainly, the simple human tendency to follow another's lead applies to crossing oneself.  As a catechumen and new convert, I looked to one of the parish matriarchs for this.  As a result, cross myself a lot during the Liturgy.  And now I notice that those standing near me on Sunday mornings will tend to do likewise.  It's just human nature.

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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2005, 01:44:27 PM »
Well, your case was different, since you were looking to others to acclimate yourself to the Faith.  But you're right, I can see teens playing the game, if they're that bored and into the service, that is.
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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2005, 03:06:40 PM »
And watch the priest (and deacon).ÂÂ  When he crosses himself we should do likewise.

However, I do know of one Priest, who, when he notices people are crossing themselves when he crosses himself, will make the sign of the cross a couple times over the course of a minute or two, and then when he thinks he's got them following him for sure he will put his hand up as if to cross himself, but actually just scratch his forehead...at which point he gets to see everyone who had been following him try to recover...he insists it's quite entertaining and works best when he's serving as the second priest...LOL.
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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2005, 03:11:56 PM »
Lol.  Er, I mean, how terrible!  ;) 

Actually, it seems to me that many priests cross themselves far less often than do many members of the laity.  Doesn't bother me, mind -- I'm just the sort of fellow whose mind wanders enough during Liturgy to notice that sort of thing.

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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005, 03:48:39 PM »
Which parish (OCA, Greek, Coptic, Antiochian) did you see this in?

Well, I go to a GOA parish, but this was told to me by someone who attends one in the OCA.

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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2005, 03:50:38 PM »
However, I do know of one Priest, who, when he notices people are crossing themselves when he crosses himself, will make the sign of the cross a couple times over the course of a minute or two, and then when he thinks he's got them following him for sure he will put his hand up as if to cross himself, but actually just scratch his forehead...at which point he gets to see everyone who had been following him try to recover...he insists it's quite entertaining and works best when he's serving as the second priest...LOL.

Oh wow.. the priest is playing it. I didn't see that one coming. I can see some humor in it. I'm just new and trying to learn everything and not liking the idea of being the victim of pranks.

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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2005, 08:31:05 PM »
I think there is some virtue in the fact that people don't wish to "stand out" by not crossing themselves when others do.
In the Greek Orthodox custom, we cross cross ourselves at the mention of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, the Theotokos and the Saints and also when the power of the Cross is mentioned (as in the dismissal etc.). When Synaxarion is read, we cross ourselves as each Saint is mentioned, and the custom has developed that if we are sitting when the priest prays in the Litany "Commemorating our most holy, pure, blessed and glorious Lady....", we stand and cross ourselves. We also Cross ourselves when the troparia of the Feast and the Temple are chanted.
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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2005, 09:13:07 PM »
Hey now...just because I told you about it doesn't mean I play it! Actually I am not sure if I have ever seen anyone doing it, I've just heard people talk about doing it...though early on I would have sworn they were all just randomly making it up on when to cross yourself!
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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2006, 11:29:46 AM »
This seems like something I would have played in my early highschool years (oh so long ago), but now seems irreverent.
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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2006, 12:53:59 PM »
Sounds like fun. I think that after 6 months of absence it is time to return to my orthodox parish and
play a bit of Crossing wave game!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
No offence to the Divine Liturgy but:
A) I am onlyh 16. If I don't make fun out of divine liturgies, I don't know when will I!?!
B) Our orthodox parish is filled with old ladies that LOVE making the sign of the cross as soon as
they get a chance. Why not give them that chance?!?
C) Did I mention I am 16 and this game sounds like fun?
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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2006, 09:08:43 PM »
Is it possible to do the sign of the Cross too much? Even if done as a game, it can still help you.

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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2006, 09:16:14 PM »
However, I do know of one Priest, who, when he notices people are crossing themselves when he crosses himself, will make the sign of the cross a couple times over the course of a minute or two, and then when he thinks he's got them following him for sure he will put his hand up as if to cross himself, but actually just scratch his forehead...at which point he gets to see everyone who had been following him try to recover...he insists it's quite entertaining and works best when he's serving as the second priest...LOL.

That reminds me of this one time (while I was still Anglican) when I was serving at the altar.  The priest's glasses were slipping a little, so he moved one of his hands to reposition them while saying one of the prayers over the altar.  Almost in unison, nearly the entire parish started to make the sign of the cross, including most of the altar party.
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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2006, 10:52:18 PM »
Is it possible to do the sign of the Cross too much? Even if done as a game, it can still help you.

Needless to say that any time one crosses themself that it should be done with great reverance.

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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2006, 09:00:28 PM »
Sounds like fun. I think that after 6 months of absence it is time to return to my orthodox parish and
play a bit of Crossing wave game!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
No offence to the Divine Liturgy but:
A) I am onlyh 16. If I don't make fun out of divine liturgies, I don't know when will I!?!
B) Our orthodox parish is filled with old ladies that LOVE making the sign of the cross as soon as
they get a chance. Why not give them that chance?!?
C) Did I mention I am 16 and this game sounds like fun?

Silly boy. I didn't mean to provide people with games to play. But, I must admit, when I was sixteen we did stuff in church. I attended an Assembly of God church then with my family. We would clap loudly and offbeat to amuse ourselves, as well as mimic people speaking in tongues. I've seen kids yawn in tongues, sneeze in tongues, burp in tongues. I laughed at the time, and participated some too. I'd never do it now though. You are only 16 once. Have a little fun, just watch for the lightning bolts.

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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2006, 11:08:20 PM »
We never got to have fun like that in the Episcopal Church...wait...no... we didn't.  We had a no-nonsesne priest from England when I was growing up.  Once when I was aroun 9 or 10 I was acolyting, I messed up the bells(I rang three times for each of the three places, instead of 1-3-3), and he got mad at me afterwards and made me do it "the right way" like a zillion times....

Sounds like fun. I think that after 6 months of absence it is time to return to my orthodox parish and
play a bit of Crossing wave game!!!!ÂÂ  ;D ;D ;D
No offence to the Divine Liturgy but:
A) I am onlyh 16. If I don't make fun out of divine liturgies, I don't know when will I!?!
B) Our orthodox parish is filled with old ladies that LOVE making the sign of the cross as soon as
they get a chance. Why not give them that chance?!?
C) Did I mention I am 16 and this game sounds like fun?
LOL, yes! And to make it even more fancy and therefore, fun, we can call it our "yia yia ministry". Yes...that's it....
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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2006, 01:18:10 AM »
I remember it was a way of teasing inexperienced altar boys, one senior would randomly cross himself during the middle of a prayer and watch if the newbie would follow him. I remember one particular newbie had a strange way of crossing himself, he did it twice and the first time he'd do it right, the second time he would omit the forehead and go straight from the shoulder to the stomach. We were young and stupid back then...

Speaking of silly things in church I remember once in a summer camp they bought a bunch of young kids (7-10 yrs old) to vigil, they all sat down by the belfry (we had an outdoor church). The reading had already begun and other people were filing in.

Suddenly one of the kids looked up at the bell and started singing aloud "Jingle bells, jingle bells...". He was joined in by his friends and a whole kiddie chorus began singing "Jingle bells". They almost managed to get through the first stanza when the priest stuck his head out of the altar and screamed "Hey, have you forgotten where you are?"



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Re: the Crossing Wave game
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2006, 02:53:20 AM »
Silly boy. I didn't mean to provide people with games to play. But, I must admit, when I was sixteen we did stuff in church. I attended an Assembly of God church then with my family. We would clap loudly and offbeat to amuse ourselves, as well as mimic people speaking in tongues. I've seen kids yawn in tongues, sneeze in tongues, burp in tongues. I laughed at the time, and participated some too. I'd never do it now though. You are only 16 once. Have a little fun, just watch for the lightning bolts.

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