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Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« on: February 27, 2006, 01:04:57 PM »
I added Greek and Russian holidays to my (MS-Outlook) calendar at work to get Pascha to show.  It is telling me that today is "Ash Monday" in Greece.  Is this correct?  I've never heard of an "Ash" day in Orthodoxy - just RCism.

Should I burn my palm frond (from last Palm Sunday) today?

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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2006, 05:09:01 PM »
Hi Elisha!

It depends on which Rite your church follows.

Ash Wednesday is not a specifically Roman Catholic peculiarity.  Ash Wednesday is the beginning of Lent in the Western Rite of Christianity, and, therefore, it is practised in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church, in many Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist &c. churches, and also in Orthodox churches and monasteries that use the Western Rite.

However, in the Eastern Rite, the beginning of Lent is not marked with an Ash day or ceremony as far as I am aware.

So regarding your question, yes Ash Wednesday does exist in Orthodoxy and yes you should be burning your palm frond but only if your church follows the Western Rite.  If you're Eastern Rite, then the answer is no to both questions.

I hope this helps.

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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2006, 05:22:17 PM »
Hi Elisha!

It depends on which Rite your church follows.

Ash Wednesday is not a specifically Roman Catholic peculiarity.  Ash Wednesday is the beginning of Lent in the Western Rite of Christianity, and, therefore, it is practised in the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church, in many Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist &c. churches, and also in Orthodox churches and monasteries that use the Western Rite.

However, in the Eastern Rite, the beginning of Lent is not marked with an Ash day or ceremony as far as I am aware.

So regarding your question, yes Ash Wednesday does exist in Orthodoxy and yes you should be burning your palm frond but only if your church follows the Western Rite.  If you're Eastern Rite, then the answer is no to both questions.

I hope this helps.

Are you sure?  Why then does my calendar say it is "Ash Monday" for Greece?  I've heard about burning your palm fronds in EOxy - just not about putting ashes on your forehead like the Latins.

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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2006, 05:38:45 PM »
I can't be 100% certain, but I have never come across a reference to it in the Eastern Rite.  I also checked with a friend in Greece who asked me what I was talking about when I started asking about ashes.  He had never heard of it, and when I explained it to him, he dismissed it as a western oddity. ;D

Perhaps it's a custom that has crept into popular piety in Greece but which doesn't actually feature in the liturgical services of the Orthodox eastern Rite.  Just a thought.

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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2006, 05:40:33 PM »
My cats ate my palm frond. :(

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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2006, 06:19:10 PM »
There's nothing like fibre to start the day. ;D

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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2006, 06:28:38 PM »
I've always been told to reverently place/bury the palm fronds on Lazarus Saturday in your garden where it will not be trodden upon and in the same area that you dispose of the ashes of your censer.

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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2006, 06:40:52 PM »
I don't think I've ever heard of "ash monday..." Just another question to pop up to a prof (if I remember - which is always a huge IF)
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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2006, 07:53:12 AM »
I think your calendar has got the date wrong. "Ash Monday" is the Western name given to "Clean Monday" in Greece in imitation of the Western First Day of Lent ("Ash Wednesday"). Ash Monday is next Monday. The traditional Greek custom on this day is to fly kites on hilltops (as a reminder of the Ladder of Divine Ascent).
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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2006, 02:44:29 PM »
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The traditional Greek custom on this day is to fly kites on hilltops (as a reminder of the Ladder of Divine Ascent).

LOL, I missed that one at Philotheou last year!

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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2006, 03:55:35 PM »
Just don't smoke it... :P

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Re: Am I supposed to burn my Palm frond today?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2006, 04:03:35 PM »
[quote author=Νεκτάριος link=topic=8312.msg109482#msg109482 date=1141152269]
LOL, I missed that one at Philotheou last year!
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It's just that they didn't want to share with you - so they snuck out and did it while you were asleeep  ;)

Happens all the time...
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