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Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« on: March 01, 2006, 04:06:50 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060301/ap_on_re_eu/greece_cremation

Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation

ATHENS, Greece - Greek lawmakers on Wednesday approved new legislation to lift a standing ban on cremation of the dead, parliamentary officials said.

The law, which human rights groups have long demanded, stressed that cremation would not be available for Orthodox Christians, in a bid to mollify the country's powerful Orthodox Church.

Church of Greece officials fiercely oppose cremation as an option for believers, arguing that Orthodox traditions only allow burial.

A predominantly Christian Orthodox country, Greece has small populations of Catholics, Protestants and Muslims.

Greece has no cremation facilities, and Greeks who wish to have their loved ones cremated are forced to send the bodies abroad.

The law was drafted by nine deputies from the governing conservatives, the main opposition Socialists and the small Synaspismos coalition.
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So, Iguess we can destroy the icons of Christ that we all are, as long as the icons aren't Orthodox Christians. :-\
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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2006, 04:14:35 PM »
Burn, baby burn - hethen inferno! (JK)

It is a shame, but this is what happens when a nation decides that being enlightened and modern necessitates the shirking of the national conscience and the backbone of the culture...
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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2006, 02:18:22 AM »
 I think that any person in a democratic country should have the right to choose if wants to be buried after their deceased or to cremate.What would  be absurd is  to force the orthodox Christians to cremate.
The law just stipulates the evident, that this law does not apply to the orthodox Christians who would never be except  the cremation for them or  for their beloveds.  
   Although the vast majority of population in Greece are orthodox Christians there are some atheists or some people who belong in different Christian denominations or there are not even Christians and therefor do not have any scruples to be cremate.I think all this people should have the right to choose. After all this  is the hardcore   of the orthodox  Faith the right  of a human to choose between light the the darkness the freedom and the slavery the Christ and the lie.

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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2006, 02:37:55 AM »
I think that any person in a democratic country should have the right to choose if wants to be buried after their deceased or to cremate.What would  be absurd is  to force the orthodox Christians to cremate.
The law just stipulates the evident, that this law does not apply to the orthodox Christians who would never be except  the cremation for them or  for their beloveds.  
   Although the vast majority of population in Greece are orthodox Christians there are some atheists or some people who belong in different Christian denominations or there are not even Christians and therefor do not have any scruples to be cremate.I think all this people should have the right to choose. After all this  is the hardcore   of the orthodox  Faith the right  of a human to choose between light the the darkness the freedom and the slavery the Christ and the lie.

I suppose you're right.... maybe it shouldn't be illegal per se, but I hope the government doesn't provide support to set up crematoriums and such.
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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2006, 02:48:59 AM »
I agree with clevelant   :)

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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2006, 05:06:56 PM »
I believe its "clevelandian" ÂÂ  ;)
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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2006, 06:42:56 PM »
I was under the impression that Greece had a severe lack of places to bury people (cf this article), which might explain being more open to cremation.
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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2006, 06:57:09 PM »
Well, that is partially true, but the Greeks have been dealing with it in their own way; what is typical in my family's village is to have one sarcophagus for the family, and a shed in the corner.  After a few years, the bones are removed and put into a bag with the name, and put into the shed, and the sarc. is ready for the next member of the family.
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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2006, 07:53:04 PM »
I was under the impression that Greece had a severe lack of places to bury people (cf this article), which might explain being more open to cremation.

Not unlike Japan, where is it my understanding that cremation is allowed for Orthodox Christians.

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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2006, 01:41:08 AM »
I believe its "clevelandian" ÂÂ  ;)

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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2006, 02:24:39 AM »
I think that any person in a democratic country should have the right to choose if wants to be buried after their deceased or to cremate.

I saw it a little differently: democracy wasn't served if the VAST, Orthodox majority of the country was "overruled," especially in an issue that doesn't involve human rights.
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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2006, 10:51:25 AM »
It almost seams to me that they are catering to the idea of Democracy that the rest of Europe is thrusting onto them, instead of providing Europe with a different form of Democracy, which only and Orthodox country could provide.  
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Re: Greek Lawmakers Lift Ban on Cremation
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2006, 11:34:55 AM »
Church respects right to cremate

The Church of Greece yesterday welcomed a new law allowing for the cremation of the non-Orthodox Christian dead and suggested it might be softening its own hardline stance against the procedure.

Archbishop Christodoulos said the Church has no reason to ban cremation for the bodies of people from other religions.

“As far as the Orthodox Christians are concerned we are in favor of burial and against cremation,” he said.

The Orthodox Church says members who request cremation after their deaths can be refused burial ceremonies. But the archbishop said this policy may be up for review.

“If necessary, the Holy Synod will meet on the issue,” he added, without giving further details.

Greece approved a landmark law on Wednesday that allows the country’s non-Orthodox Christian residents to opt for cremation after death, as long as their religions allow the practice.

Greece currently has no cremation facilities, which means that people of some faiths who practice cremation must send their dead abroad for proper preparation before funerals.

The issue could divide Greek Orthodox Christians. A growing number of Greeks say they approve of cremation since graveyards in many cities are full.

But many Church leaders remain firmly in favor of burial.

“We cannot compromise nor can we go back on this issue. If a person denies the basic teachings of the Church, then the Church must deny the funeral,” said Bishop Anthimos of Thessaloniki.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100008_03/03/2006_67075
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