Excellent advice. The article clearly points our that our differences are more than just "administrative" misunderstandings to be solved by good hearted ecclesiastics. With the presence of a RC hierarchy which is so clearly enamored of the so-called Vatican II reforms, unity is clearly a long way away. Even those who admit that many ofÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ the 'reforms' were not in keeping with the 'spirit of Vatican II', i.e, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, I do not see one thing in Hopko's article that Rome would concede.
In many ways Vatican II brought Rome and Orthodoxy closer together, it opened the way to greater tolerance of each other, it established a respect that had been lost for centuries.
And just how do you define "spirtual communion"?
We hold essentially the same faith, the only disagreements are in administrative functions, technicalities of how patriarchs and their synods interact and how the patriarchs interact amongst themselves.
I do not back away from my position that to say the Church of Rome is the "canonical western church" is a fringe position, however.
Regardless of how mainstream (or not) you believe my position to be it is technically correct by the letter of the law, Rome and her authority was established by an Oecumenical Synod and ONLY an Oecumenical Synod can actually remove her from the Church, and only such a Synod, no imperial, endimousa, or pan-orthodox synod has this authority, for they are all subject to the 7 Synods.
It is a church that subsides both in heresy and schism, which makes the work of evangelism even more important then ecumenism. Our work should be to bring the Roman See back into the fullness of the orthodox catholic faith, not merely re-establish administrative unity. As Patriarch Nicholas III of Constantinople said, "When the Pope of Rome professes the orthodox faith, there will be unity."
And in what ways does Rome disagree with the essence of the Faith? And, no I'm not talking about liturgical preferences or administrative details. Where has she departed from the faith of the 7 Synods?
Thank you amnesiac for correcting your tone on your own. Guys please remember that this forum is the Convert Forum and please try to tone down polemics and passions to clearly present the faith in a positive tone to new converts and those inquirors seeking basic information and enlightment about all the ranges of orthodox belief and practices. If you have a problem with one jurisdictions practices versus another may I suggest that the Faith Forum or free-for-all or one of the new private discussion forums now available would be more appropriate and free-wheeling with less damage to those seeking basic information and adjustment to their new convert status.
Should not all who wish to convert be fully aware of all disputes and issues? Let them see it all upfront, and make up thier mind if they really want to convert. If the truth about the workings of the Church scares someone away it might be better for all involved if they do not convert. And I am far from the first to say such things, I have heard this said by many bishops. (I recall a story of a Bishop talking to now Bishop Kallistos Ware prior to his conversion, and this Bishop's advice was something to the effect, 'The Orthodox Church is the One, True, Historical, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, but under no circumstances should you join it.' As the bishop then sent him back to the Anglicans, telling him to try and make peace with them if possible, obviously it was not but surely it was healthy to second guess such a big decision before it was made).
"not accept converts from Roman Catholicism"
Sorry to give my humble opinion: isn't this blasphemy?
Have this person ever read the story of Cornelius and St Peter?
Selecting people for the Church is monstruous.
Didn't Jesus say "Follow me"? Who are you then to say who shouldn't join the Church?
Catholics are not impure, there isn't anything impure!
I can't believe it.
The argument I presented was not that Catholicism was impure, but just the opposite, that it is pure.
Pride before the fall.........
shouldn't seminarians, long time members of the church,ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ be sensitive to inquirers, instead of getting caught up in all of this?ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ My heart is saddened that Victoria is being exposed to this...it really isn't right, and it is getting more misconstrued.ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ And it's not a matter of 'well, people should be informed of all of this' because that's NOT the "heart" of Orthodoxy, it is your opinion, and it is a battlefield now here.ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ And, if you read Victoria's last post, it is stirring up a lot of emotion.
I argue from reason and not emotion, and I hope to be responded to in kind. If you object to the point that I made give me reasons why, dont just object on emotional grounds.