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« Reply #495 on: May 11, 2013, 10:04:44 PM »

If I were home-schooled I would not be posting here. I am indebted to public education.

Not me.  Public school left me blind in this world.   I learned the important stuff myself.
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« Reply #496 on: May 11, 2013, 10:12:57 PM »

Public school was once a good thing, but about 25 years ago it began a nose dive and hasn't taken any corrective adjustment.

That sounds about right. About 25 years ago was when my family gave up on public schools. It was home-school or private schools after that (lest anyone think I was an over-privileged brat for going to private school, we only went to ones that were willing to give our family's children free tuition as one of the perks of my mom teaching for them).
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« Reply #497 on: May 11, 2013, 11:29:00 PM »

If I were home-schooled I would not be posting here. I am indebted to public education.

Not me.  Public school left me blind in this world.   I learned the important stuff myself.

Perhaps so.
My statement nevertheless stands.

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« Reply #498 on: May 13, 2013, 02:06:42 PM »

If I were home-schooled I would not be posting here. I am indebted to public education.

Not me.  Public school left me blind in this world.   I learned the important stuff myself.

Same here, I'm an autodidact as well.
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« Reply #499 on: May 13, 2013, 03:19:02 PM »

Only thing public school taught me is how to cheat better and pass with the least amount of effort possible. In other words, how to be an adult  Wink
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« Reply #500 on: May 14, 2013, 12:48:19 PM »

Only thing public school taught me is how to cheat better and pass with the least amount of effort possible. In other words, how to be an adult  Wink

LOL.  I can almost assure you, you'll never use Beowulf in your future life.   That teach those types of lessons more than cooking, home repairs, etc.   
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« Reply #501 on: May 16, 2013, 10:21:15 AM »

Only thing public school taught me is how to cheat better and pass with the least amount of effort possible. In other words, how to be an adult  Wink

LOL.  I can almost assure you, you'll never use Beowulf in your future life.   That teach those types of lessons more than cooking, home repairs, etc.   
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BUt, if you want to live, and truly live, you need to be able to appreciate fine culture, of which Beowulf is part.
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« Reply #502 on: May 16, 2013, 10:27:38 AM »

Only thing public school taught me is how to cheat better and pass with the least amount of effort possible. In other words, how to be an adult  Wink

LOL.  I can almost assure you, you'll never use Beowulf in your future life.   That teach those types of lessons more than cooking, home repairs, etc.   
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I frequently reference Beowulf while fighting dragons.  It is a much more handy reference book than St. George and the Dragon, I have found.  Wink
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« Reply #503 on: May 16, 2013, 11:08:41 AM »

Only thing public school taught me is how to cheat better and pass with the least amount of effort possible. In other words, how to be an adult  Wink

LOL.  I can almost assure you, you'll never use Beowulf in your future life.   That teach those types of lessons more than cooking, home repairs, etc.   
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My 4-year-old already knows about Beowulf. All it took was a (dog) character by that name in one of his favourite shows. He's still in the monster-slaying stage of the imagination. In a couple of years he'll be starting on Homer.
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« Reply #504 on: May 16, 2013, 11:53:05 AM »

Our family has done both home school and public school. (The local parochial schools aren’t an option due to expense.) While our oldest has thrived in public school, we are considering returning to homeschool not because of a dearth of education but because we do not like the approaches and attitudes we have encountered in the public school system.
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« Reply #505 on: May 16, 2013, 12:18:21 PM »

but because we do not like the approaches and attitudes we have encountered in the public school system.

What approaches?
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« Reply #506 on: May 16, 2013, 12:43:13 PM »

but because we do not like the approaches and attitudes we have encountered in the public school system.

What approaches?

Some of it is tied directly into our state educational policies (The USA’s State of Louisiana), which are constantly being rewritten, a local hyperfocus on technology and standardized testing rather than learning and — oddly enough — a general sense of child unfriendliness.
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« Reply #507 on: May 16, 2013, 04:53:28 PM »

I went through public school and the only thing I enjoyed were the extra curricular activities, such as track, jazz band and a couple other things.  When I got into college I realized that my writing sucked horribly and that public school taught me how to be a "worker". 

We homeschool our children.  My 11 year old is incredibly smart; he scored in the 99th percentile in the Iowa Test of Basic Skills.  That's 99th percentile nation wide.  My 7 year old has taken his first ITBS and we will get the results soon.  He is doing amazing as well.  My four year old can read and write, and has a multitude of historical and geographical facts memorized.  We use a classical education method. 

In short, public school SUCKS.  It is like sending your precious lambs to the wolves to learn how to be a secular and godless idiot.  I hear so many Christian say "how do we keep from losing our kids to the culture when we send them to school?"  How about take them out, dumbass!  That's like saying "I hope my daughter doesn't become a stripper" but you're sending her to pole dancing school.  People need to wake up and do the right thing, if they are capable and their situation permits. 
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« Reply #508 on: May 16, 2013, 06:36:05 PM »

In short, public school SUCKS.  It is like sending your precious lambs to the wolves to learn how to be a secular and godless idiot.

Ninety percent of the people in the United States go to public school.

If you have such a ridiculous attitude about it, and constantly insult it, do you think that makes any kids want to do better?

You deserve what you get.
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« Reply #509 on: May 16, 2013, 06:37:47 PM »

but because we do not like the approaches and attitudes we have encountered in the public school system.

What approaches?

Having lots of different kinds of kids together. My guess is he'd like to go back to the days when the rich suburbs got everything and there was no busing because you didn't want to have to be with 'those' people.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #510 on: May 16, 2013, 06:47:17 PM »

In short, public school SUCKS.  It is like sending your precious lambs to the wolves to learn how to be a secular and godless idiot.

Ninety percent of the people in the United States go to public school.

If you have such a ridiculous attitude about it, and constantly insult it, do you think that makes any kids want to do better?

You deserve what you get.

What we are ALL getting, BIRO, is a mass of stupid humanity that are "consumers" who vote for people like Obama and care more about the Khardasiansn (SP?) than they do what's happening right beneath their noses in our country. 

What do you mean I deserve what I get?  I got it GOOD and am blessed.  I have a beautiful wife and four beautiful and intelligent children, and do you support the communist brainwashing that happens in public schools?  Watch "IndoctriNation"; a good commentary on the state of public schools. They are liberal and communist brainwashing machines. Do some historical study of the creation of the public school system. And don't insult me unless you would do it to my face. My attitude is not ridiculous and I deserve what God gives me, not what you think I should get.
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« Reply #511 on: May 16, 2013, 07:01:46 PM »

but because we do not like the approaches and attitudes we have encountered in the public school system.

What approaches?

Having lots of different kinds of kids together. My guess is he'd like to go back to the days when the rich suburbs got everything and there was no busing because you didn't want to have to be with 'those' people.  Roll Eyes
I'd much rather my boy play with poor black kids and white trash (that's our neighborhood, btw) than be taught to be a good bourgeois drone. But sometimes you get a shitty school system in a state that's run by a reactionary nincompoop who wants to defund poor districts for performing poorly and you have to make decisions that are best for your family.
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« Reply #512 on: May 16, 2013, 11:18:58 PM »

...is a mass of stupid humanity that are "consumers" who vote for people like Obama

Yeah, curse those less fortunate people who voted in their best interest for Obama opposed to a multi-billionare with literally no understanding of poverty or concern for anyone other than himself and his business associates who entirely dismissed the poor as already having a "comfort net" like Romney  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #513 on: May 17, 2013, 12:44:22 AM »

In short, public school SUCKS.  It is like sending your precious lambs to the wolves to learn how to be a secular and godless idiot.

Ninety percent of the people in the United States go to public school.

If you have such a ridiculous attitude about it, and constantly insult it, do you think that makes any kids want to do better?

You deserve what you get.

Thanks Biro. This was worth saying. Public education is locally controlled and the quality varies. Agabus' post below yours reflects that. There are areas where it is quite poor and others where it is quite good and a lot in between.

Overall I think public education teachers do a lot better job than members of the House of Representatives in the USofA. Each House member costs 3,460,000 per year (including their staff: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2013-DB/xls/BUDGET-2013-DB-2.xls) for doing almost nothing. Teachers play a much more important role than do-nothings.

I also have some thoughts on the limitation of home schooling, probably OK for K-6 in the USofA, but a limitation beyond that. It is not worth arguing given that it would negate long standing beliefs of those who are complete in their own environment but do not recognize the possibility that their children would have a more rewarding life in a different environment. Environment includes career and diversity of associations.
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« Reply #514 on: May 17, 2013, 01:20:17 AM »

Ninety percent of the people in the United States go to public school.
 
Over 90% of people have sex prior to marriage.  That doesn’t make it right just like what you said doesn’t really add up to much of a statement in comparison to what he posted.

If you have such a ridiculous attitude about it, and constantly insult it, do you think that makes any kids want to do better?
 

I don’t think it is ridiculous at all.  Kids don’t want to do any better for a lot of reasons which have nothing to do with his point of view.

You deserve what you get.

Homeschooled kids who are more productive, have better attitudes and actually learn something?  I agree, he deserves what he gets.
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« Reply #515 on: May 17, 2013, 01:21:09 AM »

but because we do not like the approaches and attitudes we have encountered in the public school system.

What approaches?

Having lots of different kinds of kids together. My guess is he'd like to go back to the days when the rich suburbs got everything and there was no busing because you didn't want to have to be with 'those' people.  Roll Eyes

Then you didn't pay much attention to what he was actually saying.
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« Reply #516 on: May 17, 2013, 01:23:13 AM »

...is a mass of stupid humanity that are "consumers" who vote for people like Obama

Yeah, curse those less fortunate people who voted in their best interest for Obama opposed to a multi-billionare with literally no understanding of poverty or concern for anyone other than himself and his business associates who entirely dismissed the poor as already having a "comfort net" like Romney  Roll Eyes

First off, this isn't the politics forum so we all should be careful.  Second, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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« Reply #517 on: May 17, 2013, 01:25:38 AM »

If a child is special-needs, a parent needs a lawyer to interact with the school system.  School systems have too many special-needs children and they tend to fall through the cracks.

Most parents lack the patience to home school special-needs children.

I knew a young lady who didn't want to go to school.  Her mother tried homeschooling her.  The child was very bright except she didn't want to relate to the children in public school.  Now that she's 16 (I think compulsory education in MD ends at 16 rather than 18), she's no longer required to attend school.
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« Reply #518 on: May 17, 2013, 01:34:25 AM »

but because we do not like the approaches and attitudes we have encountered in the public school system.

What approaches?

Having lots of different kinds of kids together. My guess is he'd like to go back to the days when the rich suburbs got everything and there was no busing because you didn't want to have to be with 'those' people.  Roll Eyes
I'd much rather my boy play with poor black kids and white trash (that's our neighborhood, btw) than be taught to be a good bourgeois drone. But sometimes you get a shitty school system in a state that's run by a reactionary nincompoop who wants to defund poor districts for performing poorly and you have to make decisions that are best for your family.

+1 - I went to public school with blacks (who were in the majority) and Jews.  I received an excellent education from elementary school to high school.  I was troubled when "No Child Left Behind" was enacted.  Public school has become a numbers game - how much the CEOs earn and how well the children perform on the tests.  Every year, musical chairs is played by the principals even at schools that do well.  My son has been to 3 different elementary schools due to his needs.  I can't say anything since the school has pre-determined the outcome at each "meeting."  As a result, the school no longer informs me about meetings and deliberately sends correspondence to an address where I never lived (his mother used to live at the address but not recently).  I could care less since it's not worth $$$$$ to have an attorney respond to every part of my son's educational plan.
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« Reply #519 on: May 17, 2013, 01:45:11 AM »

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« Reply #520 on: May 17, 2013, 01:49:25 AM »

A thread has been created in the Politics board to continue the discussion between Kerdy and JamesR.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,51516.msg924409.html#msg924409
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« Reply #521 on: May 17, 2013, 02:51:36 AM »

A thread has been created in the Politics board to continue the discussion between Kerdy and JamesR.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,51516.msg924409.html#msg924409

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« Reply #522 on: May 17, 2013, 02:55:17 AM »

but because we do not like the approaches and attitudes we have encountered in the public school system.

What approaches?

Having lots of different kinds of kids together. My guess is he'd like to go back to the days when the rich suburbs got everything and there was no busing because you didn't want to have to be with 'those' people.  Roll Eyes
I'd much rather my boy play with poor black kids and white trash (that's our neighborhood, btw) than be taught to be a good bourgeois drone. But sometimes you get a shitty school system in a state that's run by a reactionary nincompoop who wants to defund poor districts for performing poorly and you have to make decisions that are best for your family.

+1 - I went to public school with blacks (who were in the majority) and Jews.  I received an excellent education from elementary school to high school.  I was troubled when "No Child Left Behind" was enacted.  Public school has become a numbers game - how much the CEOs earn and how well the children perform on the tests.  Every year, musical chairs is played by the principals even at schools that do well.  My son has been to 3 different elementary schools due to his needs.  I can't say anything since the school has pre-determined the outcome at each "meeting."  As a result, the school no longer informs me about meetings and deliberately sends correspondence to an address where I never lived (his mother used to live at the address but not recently).  I could care less since it's not worth $$$$$ to have an attorney respond to every part of my son's educational plan.

Recently, I have seen teachers moved from one subject to another to teach.  When I asked why, the teachers said they move to different classes every couple of years.  It is comforting to know a Math teacher is teaching English and an English teacher is teaching Science while the Science teacher is off teaching something else entirely.
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I had a good laugh over this.
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I had a good laugh over this.

This is fantastic!
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« Reply #525 on: May 17, 2013, 06:46:54 AM »

Oh my goodness.  It's a worthless cause, trying to discuss things with people who support public day prison. 

We don't need no education.  We don't need no thought control. 

I like turtles. 
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« Reply #526 on: May 17, 2013, 07:13:59 AM »

Oh my goodness.  It's a worthless cause, trying to discuss things with people who support public day prison. 

Some of us live in countries that invest time, effort and respect into their public school system. The Disunited States are not the whole world, thankfully.
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« Reply #527 on: May 17, 2013, 09:17:36 AM »

I had a good laugh over this.

Schools here also should do it.
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« Reply #528 on: May 21, 2013, 01:48:15 AM »

Oh my goodness.  It's a worthless cause, trying to discuss things with people who support public day prison. 

We don't need no education.  We don't need no thought control. 

I like turtles. 

You're absolutely on the money here, stpaulphilip.
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« Reply #529 on: May 21, 2013, 01:51:24 AM »

Oh my goodness.  It's a worthless cause, trying to discuss things with people who support public day prison. 

Some of us live in countries that invest time, effort and respect into their public school system. The Disunited States are not the whole world, thankfully.

I thought we went over this already? First, no need to bash my nation, thanks. Second no matter where you live a custom tailored education will be of more benefit than "one size fits all" Homeschooling (in any country) will be a superior education 95% of the time. End of story. But you probably STILL haven't read the stats, have you?
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Oh my goodness.  It's a worthless cause, trying to discuss things with people who support public day prison.  

Some of us live in countries that invest time, effort and respect into their public school system. The Disunited States are not the whole world, thankfully.

I thought we went over this already? First, no need to bash my nation, thanks. Second no matter where you live a custom tailored education will be of more benefit than "one size fits all" Homeschooling (in any country) will be a superior education 95% of the time. End of story. But you probably STILL haven't read the stats, have you?

Custom tailored clothing is better than off-the-rack as well, but tailors and seamstresses aren't becoming a superworkforce again any time soon.

I don't need to bash your country's education system; you lot have been doing a great job of that. I just don't believe that elitism is the answer to the problem. Yes, I read the stats, get over it and do some light reading of your own instead:

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« Reply #531 on: May 21, 2013, 09:32:42 AM »

Oh my goodness.  It's a worthless cause, trying to discuss things with people who support public day prison.  

Some of us live in countries that invest time, effort and respect into their public school system. The Disunited States are not the whole world, thankfully.

I thought we went over this already? First, no need to bash my nation, thanks. Second no matter where you live a custom tailored education will be of more benefit than "one size fits all" Homeschooling (in any country) will be a superior education 95% of the time. End of story. But you probably STILL haven't read the stats, have you?

Custom tailored clothing is better than off-the-rack as well, but tailors and seamstresses aren't becoming a superworkforce again any time soon.

I don't need to bash your country's education system; you lot have been doing a great job of that. I just don't believe that elitism is the answer to the problem. Yes, I read the stats, get over it and do some light reading of your own instead:

What Americans Keep Ignoring About Finland's School Success

People keep posting this (I've read it at least twice) but the article doesn't take into account that Finland has a bit less than five and a half million people.  The US has over 300 million.  Finland is very homogenous.  79% of them belong (at least nominally) to the same Church. 
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« Reply #532 on: May 21, 2013, 09:46:02 AM »

Oh my goodness.  It's a worthless cause, trying to discuss things with people who support public day prison.  

Some of us live in countries that invest time, effort and respect into their public school system. The Disunited States are not the whole world, thankfully.

I thought we went over this already? First, no need to bash my nation, thanks. Second no matter where you live a custom tailored education will be of more benefit than "one size fits all" Homeschooling (in any country) will be a superior education 95% of the time. End of story. But you probably STILL haven't read the stats, have you?

Custom tailored clothing is better than off-the-rack as well, but tailors and seamstresses aren't becoming a superworkforce again any time soon.

I don't need to bash your country's education system; you lot have been doing a great job of that. I just don't believe that elitism is the answer to the problem. Yes, I read the stats, get over it and do some light reading of your own instead:

What Americans Keep Ignoring About Finland's School Success

People keep posting this (I've read it at least twice) but the article doesn't take into account that Finland has a bit less than five and a half million people.  The US has over 300 million.  Finland is very homogenous.  79% of them belong (at least nominally) to the same Church.

Actually, it does, in the very last section.
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« Reply #533 on: May 21, 2013, 09:52:35 AM »

Oh my goodness.  It's a worthless cause, trying to discuss things with people who support public day prison.  

Some of us live in countries that invest time, effort and respect into their public school system. The Disunited States are not the whole world, thankfully.

I thought we went over this already? First, no need to bash my nation, thanks. Second no matter where you live a custom tailored education will be of more benefit than "one size fits all" Homeschooling (in any country) will be a superior education 95% of the time. End of story. But you probably STILL haven't read the stats, have you?

Custom tailored clothing is better than off-the-rack as well, but tailors and seamstresses aren't becoming a superworkforce again any time soon.

I don't need to bash your country's education system; you lot have been doing a great job of that. I just don't believe that elitism is the answer to the problem. Yes, I read the stats, get over it and do some light reading of your own instead:

What Americans Keep Ignoring About Finland's School Success

People keep posting this (I've read it at least twice) but the article doesn't take into account that Finland has a bit less than five and a half million people.  The US has over 300 million.  Finland is very homogenous.  79% of them belong (at least nominally) to the same Church.

Actually, it does, in the very last section.

Paragraphs seven and eight from the bottom.
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« Reply #534 on: May 21, 2013, 10:56:45 AM »

Oh my goodness.  It's a worthless cause, trying to discuss things with people who support public day prison.  

Some of us live in countries that invest time, effort and respect into their public school system. The Disunited States are not the whole world, thankfully.

I thought we went over this already? First, no need to bash my nation, thanks. Second no matter where you live a custom tailored education will be of more benefit than "one size fits all" Homeschooling (in any country) will be a superior education 95% of the time. End of story. But you probably STILL haven't read the stats, have you?

Custom tailored clothing is better than off-the-rack as well, but tailors and seamstresses aren't becoming a superworkforce again any time soon.

I don't need to bash your country's education system; you lot have been doing a great job of that. I just don't believe that elitism is the answer to the problem. Yes, I read the stats, get over it and do some light reading of your own instead:

What Americans Keep Ignoring About Finland's School Success

People keep posting this (I've read it at least twice) but the article doesn't take into account that Finland has a bit less than five and a half million people.  The US has over 300 million.  Finland is very homogenous.  79% of them belong (at least nominally) to the same Church.

Actually, it does, in the very last section.

Paragraphs seven and eight from the bottom.

Clearly you have to read an article three times sometimes...  Mea culpa.


Though, rereading it has brought up a few more points for me.  First, they seem to only be taking foreign birth to be a marker of heterogeneity.  I do not think this is correct.  Of those three hundred million Americans, we are a diverse lot, even those of us born in America to American parents with primarily American grandparents.  Southerners and Northerners are different.  This goes for blacks and whites.  Illegal immigrants are different than legal immigrants and are still different from the children of immigrants - both legal and illegal.  Yuppies and country folk.  Midwesterners and West Coasters.  I have family throughout the US and I have met many foreigners who seem more familiar to me than relatives in Massachusetts (or members from a liberal city yet still Midwestern like Madison, WI.)

Since Finland has a population the size of some US states has anyone compared their rates to specific states rather than US-nationwide rates?  Helsinki (the capital) has 1.3 mil people in it's metro area.  My hometown has a metro area population of 877k.  Not a whole lot less and we aren't even the capital of our state.  Chicago (not the largest city in the US) has over 9 mil in their metro area - much more than the entirety of Finland.  My point is that I am sure you can find school districts in the US that match Finland's achievements.  Expecting a country of 300 mil to match a country of 5 mil is absurd.  Now, start pulling out similar sized states and we might see some correlations. 



The most important point of the article, is not the "eekwalitie" of the schools, but the focus.  Stpaulphillip's complaint that the publik skules in the US make you into an efficient worker is spot on.  The focus is still stuck in the industrial revolution more than a century ago.  Finland has changed the focus of their schools:

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What's more, despite their many differences, Finland and the U.S. have an educational goal in common. When Finnish policymakers decided to reform the country's education system in the 1970s, they did so because they realized that to be competitive, Finland couldn't rely on manufacturing or its scant natural resources and instead had to invest in a knowledge-based economy.

As long as Americans are more interested in Kim Kardashian's latest naughty-tape or those two Brokeback Mountain brothers on The Voice than they are their sinking ship - we are pretty much sunk.  We are busily creating yet another generation of stupid people.  These sorts of problems become systemic.  God only knows how we will fix ourselves, but it is not going to come from the top down.  The people need to re-Christianize and educate themselves.  They need to create a new culture of excellence.  Until then, enjoy the decline.
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As long as Americans are more interested in Kim Kardashian's latest naughty-tape or those two Brokeback Mountain brothers on The Voice than they are their sinking ship - we are pretty much sunk.  We are busily creating yet another generation of stupid people.   These sorts of problems become systemic.  God only knows how we will fix ourselves, but it is not going to come from the top down.  The people need to re-Christianize and educate themselves.  They need to create a new culture of excellence.  Until then, enjoy the decline.

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« Reply #536 on: May 21, 2013, 11:35:44 PM »

There is this Amish proverb - "Those without children know best how to raise them".

I just wonder how many here are arguing for the public education system who do not have children.  That would be an interesting piece of knowledge to obtain.

The proverb is so true.  I can't count how many people I have seen questioning parents on issues such as "spanking", "homeschooling", etc., when they do not have children of their own. 

Just for you anit-homeschoolers, we are going to a homeschool graduation this weekend.  Several of the children have full scholarship to SMU in Dallas, TX.
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« Reply #537 on: May 22, 2013, 01:19:46 AM »

There is this Amish proverb - "Those without children know best how to raise them".

I just wonder how many here are arguing for the public education system who do not have children.  That would be an interesting piece of knowledge to obtain.

The proverb is so true.  I can't count how many people I have seen questioning parents on issues such as "spanking", "homeschooling", etc., when they do not have children of their own. 

Just for you anit-homeschoolers, we are going to a homeschool graduation this weekend.  Several of the children have full scholarship to SMU in Dallas, TX.

It must be a substandard university. Wink
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« Reply #538 on: May 22, 2013, 03:05:01 AM »

There is this Amish proverb - "Those without children know best how to raise them".

I just wonder how many here are arguing for the public education system who do not have children.  That would be an interesting piece of knowledge to obtain.

The proverb is so true.  I can't count how many people I have seen questioning parents on issues such as "spanking", "homeschooling", etc., when they do not have children of their own. 

Just for you anit-homeschoolers, we are going to a homeschool graduation this weekend.  Several of the children have full scholarship to SMU in Dallas, TX.

Guess the Amish model doesn't provide for childless teachers.
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« Reply #539 on: May 22, 2013, 03:59:03 AM »

There is this Amish proverb - "Those without children know best how to raise them".

I just wonder how many here are arguing for the public education system who do not have children.  That would be an interesting piece of knowledge to obtain.

The proverb is so true.  I can't count how many people I have seen questioning parents on issues such as "spanking", "homeschooling", etc., when they do not have children of their own. 

Just for you anit-homeschoolers, we are going to a homeschool graduation this weekend.  Several of the children have full scholarship to SMU in Dallas, TX.

Guess the Amish model doesn't provide for childless teachers.
Teachers teach.  Parents raise children.  Believe me, I know the difference and I want to teach as my second career.  Just because you are around a person as an occupation does not mean you know what is best for that child.  You certainly can help, and most would appreciate the hand, but you are not that child’s parent and unless you have your own children and have the experience to back up your comments, one should refrain from making those comments.  I don’t tell pilots how to fly because I have been on a plane.  Teachers shouldn’t tell parents how to raise children or by default know how to raise children because they are around kids doing their job of teaching. 
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