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« on: January 24, 2006, 12:40:42 AM »

Greetings!

Does anyone know where i can find material that would help me learn Church Slavonic? Amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com seem pretty empty of any Slavonic material. Im looking for books, cd-roms, and audio. Thanks for your help!

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2006, 12:51:00 AM »

Get a book for Old Church Slavonic, grammars of this language abound. I especially recommend Schmalstieg's An Introduction to Old Church Slavic (Slavica, 1982) or (if you can read Russian) Voylova's Staroslavjanskij Jazyk (Drofa 2003). Church Slavonic is an artificial language created by using the inflection of Old Church Slavonic with the phonological developments (disappearance or strengthening of yers) of Russian and Bulgarian.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2006, 09:09:35 AM »

How would you rate the grammar of Archbishop (hieromonk when it was first published) Alypy sold by SJKP press?  I'm also in the market for at least learning the basics of Church Slavonic.   
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2006, 12:58:09 PM »

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How would you rate the grammar of Archbishop (hieromonk when it was first published) Alypy sold by SJKP press?  I'm also in the market for at least learning the basics of Church Slavonic.   

Excellent, if you already know Russian. For someone learning the absolute basics, it's useful, but it's not intended to be a course in Slavonic, but a reference grammar.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2006, 06:06:36 PM »

I see. Since I have to learn Russian at school (being a Russian major...) would I be best off waiting until I have a few semesters of Russian down so that I have more options for learning Slavonic or is it worth getting into now with one of the English texts?
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2006, 01:42:23 AM »

Have you tried looking at this website:

http://www.orthodoxepubsoc.org/cddetails.htm

I also would like to learn Church Slavonic so that I can read at Church or something one day in the future.  I was only looking at this website yesterday and it seems helpful if you do end up ordering the CD's and such.

Hope it helps!
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2006, 02:25:49 AM »

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Woohoo! We need some more, so we can outnumber the Greek students at this site.

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would I be best off waiting until I have a few semesters of Russian down so that I have more options for learning Slavonic or is it worth getting into now with one of the English texts?

Yes. IME, you will find it much more productive to grok how Russian works, and then study how Slavonic differs from it, than to jump into Slavonic first.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2006, 09:23:22 AM »

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Woohoo! We need some more, so we can outnumber the Greek students at this site.

Did I also mention that I'm changing my username to RussianisChristian?

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Yes. IME, you will find it much more productive to grok how Russian works, and then study how Slavonic differs from it, then to jump into Slavonic first.

Thanks.  That's what I'll end up doing then. 
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2006, 12:52:18 AM »

You might be able to find a program in a local college, especially if you live in a major metropolitan area.  Boston University has a program for Church Slavonic. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2006, 07:18:19 AM »

Here's a good introductory website to the subject.

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Да, точно. (Exactly.)

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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2006, 08:36:29 PM »

Thanks for the replies!

I talked with my priest and he said it would be much more beneficial to learn Russian first, then tackle Church Slavonic. Him and my godmother are even helping me and take time during lunch on sunday to go through what Ive learned! Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2006, 05:05:58 PM »

Gosh, I don't know about that.  I know the folks at my church would say that you would be MUCH better off learning Serbian first, then Slavonic.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2006, 05:59:44 PM »

Did I also mention that I'm changing my username to RussianisChristian?

Thanks.  That's what I'll end up doing then. 
I liked it when some other poster changed their's to HumanIsChristian even better.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2006, 03:18:39 AM »

 Undecided  This thread makes me think of the Mormons aka LDS folks who make learning another language a prerequisite for salvation!!!  No one seems to agree on what language and what dialect of whatever language to learn to worship God.  Only the Muslims believe that a language i.e. Arabic is from the mouth of God!
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2006, 11:09:50 AM »

I don't think that's what is being dicussed.  I think that its just people who genuinly wanted to learn Church Slavonic, which is a liturgical language shared by over 2/3 of the Orthodox Christians in the world.  Its like saying NT Greek won't do you any good.  Of course you can't speak it, but are you ever going to truly understand the NT without it?  Not likely. 

As for Serbian and Church slavonic, its not really the best way to go, to be honest with you.  If you learn Serbian its going to be harder to learn Church Slavonic, just because of pronunciation.  Serbian is a completely, and I mean COMPLETELY phonetic language.  No hidden gimmics, what you see is what you get.  Church Slavonic has abbreviations out the wazoo.  It also has combination letters, accentuation, and inflections.  Don't even get me started on the grammar.  Russian is going to give you a better idea of HOW to pronounce the words you're going to see in Church Slavonic. 

On a more personal note, I prefer the Serbian pronunciation of Church Slavonic, it sounds a lot cleaner.  However, that doesn't necessarily mean that we're pronouncing it CORRECTLY, according to the accentuations and grammar, etc.  So, all in all Russian is a better stepping stone for the Church Slavonic.  If Russian ends up being too hard to learn, its very easy to switch to Serbian, which might end up being easier for you.
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