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« on: January 23, 2006, 09:52:03 PM »

In the Greek tradition, do altar servers wear some kind of riasa or some black clothing underneath the altar server vestment?

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2006, 12:44:22 AM »

No. The altar boys wear a sticharion, with an orarion if they have been ordained subdeacon.
Older boys and adult servers who have been tonsured wear a black cassock (anteri).

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2006, 12:59:35 PM »

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No. The altar boys wear a sticharion, with an orarion if they have been ordained subdeacon.

I know I've seen parades of 10-year-olds vested as subdeacons in Greek churches. Are they actually tonsured to the subdiaconate, or is the orarion just decorative?
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2006, 01:13:46 PM »

I know I've seen parades of 10-year-olds vested as subdeacons in Greek churches. Are they actually tonsured to the subdiaconate, or is the orarion just decorative?

It's just decorative.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2006, 03:54:40 PM »

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It's just decorative.

I guess the next question, then, is why?
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2006, 04:43:41 PM »

No clue... the best thing I could guess is that, in the ancient practice, what we have "altar boys" or "altar servers" do was actually done by the slew of subdeacons.  There is no reason to wear the orarion for them, although the way they wear it is different from how the subdeacon and deacon wear it... Some churches don't have their kids wearing the orarion.  As far as the black riasa, it is theoretically only for the deacons, priests, and bishops, as it was the garment of clergy streetwear.. now they have seminarians and some tonsured readers wear it.  But the riasa (anderi as we say in greek) is not a liturgical garment.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2006, 01:44:50 AM »

The last time the Metropolitan visited us, he tonsured all the new altar boys as readers. He then prayed over the ones who already were tonsured, and gave them the stoles to put on. I presume he mde them subdeacons. Can't figure what else it could have been.



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I know I've seen parades of 10-year-olds vested as subdeacons in Greek churches. Are they actually tonsured to the subdiaconate, or is the orarion just decorative?


It's just decorative.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2006, 02:05:25 AM »

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I presume he mde them subdeacons. Can't figure what else it could have been.

Ah, so they've taken a vow of celibacy, then?
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2006, 02:09:31 AM »

Take it up with His Eminence. I only know what I have witnessed several times in my 18 years of directing altar boys in three parishes.
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