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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #675 on: February 06, 2015, 03:30:35 PM »
Yes and not only that, the long hours away from family in a class of thirty with a stressed teacher is terrible. Childhood should be joyful and spent with family.

I assume that you don't have children of your own. Then you'd know how much more terrible it is to spend long hours with a stressed parent.
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #676 on: February 06, 2015, 04:37:33 PM »
I'm pretty sure I would kill my kids if I had to spend all day with them every day. I love them, but it definitely would not end well for any party involved.
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #677 on: February 12, 2015, 09:51:27 PM »
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I am saddened to see how many siblings seem disconnected because of the long hours apart
Most siblings are grateful for being apart, because they despise each other.

Better relationships among siblings is actually one of the benefits of homeschooling. Fast paced lifestyles and the hours they spend apart at school is one of the reasons many siblings do not get along.
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #678 on: February 12, 2015, 10:38:09 PM »
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #679 on: March 01, 2016, 05:54:54 PM »
Great thread. This is such a hard topic to have over a forum, but I love that people are interested in it.

I currently homeschool my 3 boys. They range in age from 7 to 11.  My initial reason for homeschooling involved having two kids who are on the autism spectrum, and a public school situation which I felt was  failing them. (I am not only talking academically, here.) I also have issue with curriculum which is completely biased, subtle (or not so subtle) propaganda, and "teaching" kids WHAT to think. Anyone who follows any of the homeschool/unschool  movements understands to what I might be referring. Although I don't consider us to be "unschoolers", I would describe as what we do as Eclectic-Homeschooling;
we use no formal curriculum but we do sometimes use a workbook,
we read from whatever sources we want and sometimes that includes a textbook,
we learn from daily life,
we set time aside to work on various skills,
one tiny question about something can easily turn into a learning project,
we have fun as a family exploring the environment and history of our part of the state,
we talk a lot about our personal struggles and how we can help each other,
the various topics we learn about are easily related to Orthodoxy, what we believe as Christians, and what "the rest of the world" believes, 
etc, etc, I could go on and make you bored, lol.

I am always open to the idea that public school, or a more formal type of learning, could be in our future once again. For now I am satisfied, and the kids are much happier, less stressed, and a lot better at articulating their struggles. I happen to have completed a science-based degree at university and, of course, I completely understand how a more structured learning can be valuable. I am also not frightened at the idea of my kids being "behind" the public school kids. Most of those kids won't remember half of the stuff they learned anyway. I sure didn't.  Kids are being smothered with information, "learning" too many things at once, and for what? Learning will always be taking place. In addition, not everyone wants to attend a university. I personally would have preferred to attend a trade school, and think highly organized schools tend to push the university emphasis too much. Take note, there are many intelligent people who have opted to school their kids at home and not use a formal curriculum or system.  From ex-public school teachers, to engineers, to scientists. Each have valid reasons and perspectives, and their stories are all over the web if you're interested. It's not just about freaked-out-christian-weirdos.

There are a lot of things I'd love say about the topic, but then this would be extreme tldr, lol. Suffice to say that we homeschool and we are happy about that.
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #680 on: June 10, 2016, 10:34:12 PM »
Kindred spirits, OrthoDisco, kindred spirits.  :)  I have an English degree, though.

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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #681 on: June 13, 2016, 01:13:43 AM »
Wow, this has been a long thread.  I apologize if I'm beating a dead horse here...and I'm going to ramble a bit.
I just wanted to say that it's not just white/middle class/two parent families homeschooling.  I am a single mother, homeschooling my son.  (I was homeschooled, along with spending some years in both private and public schools and grew up decidedly low/low-middle class).  I think the reasons for homeschooling are as varied and unique as the families that actually do it.  Two families who may put the same reasons down on paper will apply their philosophies quite differently in their day-to-day lives.
When I looked at what classes were needed for a teaching degree/certification, 90% of them dealt with how to actually interact with a large class, differentiate your teaching, develop curriculum, etc.  None of which is applicable to a parent, teaching his/her own children.  All the curriculum I buy (I pick and choose the best publishers for each subject) have teacher's manuals and answer books just like public school books.
I don't have a college degree; I'm actually going back to school this coming year which I am so excited about.  But we have a home library of 1,053 books.  I was trilingual from Kindergarten on, and have always had an affinity for languages.  I actually go over his work with him and learn myself, so he sees that education isn't just for kids.
I clean houses and my son comes with me; while I work, he works.  He is learning to take control of his own education, to be responsible for the work he's expected to do without supervision.  We take the spring off, instead of the summer so that we can camp/take field trips without crowds.  He has my "required" classes but every year I ask him what else he wants to learn.  So far, he's had 4 years of French, 2 years each of Modern Hebrew and Korean.  This year, he decided to start from scratch with Japanese and Russian - we are learning those together.  He's in his 5th year of piano, 2nd year of violin and recently added harp lessons with the principal harpist of our philharmonic.  His math program was developed by some Math Olympiads; when he was younger, I used the UK Mathematics Enhancement Programme.  My dad has a few utility patents to his name and started out life as a machinist so he is going to be learning some machining this coming year as well.
My son is 9 and a half and I wouldn't trade this time for all the "free time" public school could offer me.  I love watching him learn, seeing the lightbulbs click and I can't wait to see him continue growing.  (And really, I am totally looking forward to the teenage years and high school! That's when learning really gets fun!!)
This is just a small snapshot of a tiny homeschooling family.  If he went to public school, I would probably enjoy him just as much as I do now, but I don't think either of us would be enjoying simply living life and exploring passions as much.  I mean seriously, 2-3 hours of music practice on top of homework every night?  Kill me now.

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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #682 on: June 13, 2016, 01:20:53 AM »
At least you're not Amy Chua.
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #683 on: June 13, 2016, 01:52:50 AM »
At least you're not Amy Chua.
I can't tell if you said that tongue-in-cheek or not.  My only required classes are math, English, and an instrument.  We fall more under the umbrella of unschoolers/eclectic schoolers than anything.  Everything above and beyond that has all been my sons doing.  He's more tiger baby than I am a tiger mom.

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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #684 on: June 13, 2016, 01:54:19 AM »
At least you're not Amy Chua.
I can't tell if you said that tongue-in-cheek or not.  My only required classes are math, English, and an instrument.  We fall more under the umbrella of unschoolers/eclectic schoolers than anything.  Everything above and beyond that has all been my sons doing.  He's more tiger baby than I am a tiger mom.

It was definitely tongue-in-cheek; it's just when you mentioned him doing all those different activities the first thing I thought of was Amy.

Good to hear he's doing all those activities on his own initiative!
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #685 on: June 13, 2016, 02:02:42 AM »
Ok whew :)

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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #686 on: June 13, 2016, 04:41:20 AM »
Public school doesn't sound that bad.
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #687 on: June 13, 2016, 05:10:33 AM »
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #688 on: June 14, 2016, 07:42:59 AM »
RandomGal, that's awesome!  Truly amazing.

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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #689 on: July 13, 2016, 03:12:49 PM »
I am still homeschooling our children. Our eldest is starting her high school block this fall. We moved away from the awful school system in Seattle, and gave the kids the option to attend the public schools here; they all begged to continue to homeschool. A large benefit for our family continues to be our schedule. If I didn't homeschool our children, they wouldn't see their father more than a couple hours a week during regular school years. Currently his schedule is Friday-Monday 10AM-midnight; which is one of his better schedules in terms of seeing us. Even with the kids and I adapting to his schedule they don't see him at all from Saturday morning until Tuesday morning when we attend liturgy. Another typical schedule would be Friday-Tuesday noon-midnight. He has had weekends of ONCE in the last 15 years at his current job, and we couldn't rely upon him to have them off again.

I have mostly approached from a classical and "unschooling" angle. We have a formal math, grammar, spelling, and handwriting curricula. For the most part we read-read-read whatever subject the kids are highly interested in. When we go to the library my rule has been (and will remain so) that the kids choose at least an equal amount of fiction and non-fiction. We "school" year round typically, but with high school approaching, I have decided to switch to a more formal system. I have followed a Charlotte Mason philosophy for some time, but this year we will be following Ambleside online.

The following is the book list for our 9th grader from AO
(plus our choice of math/science curricula and later we will pin down the specific focus of nature study)

Centre for Innovation in Mathmetics teaching +Pre-Algebra http://www.cimt.org.uk
Holt McDougall Biology
Churchill's Age of Revolution
A History of the American People
Transcriptions of Salem Witch Trial Court Records
Declaration of Rights
The Declaration of Independence
The Mecklenburg Declaration of Independence
Articles of Confederation
Articles of Capitulation, Yorktown
Treaty with Great Britain
Constitution of the United States
The Federalist Papers
Letters to His Son, by Lord Chesterfield
Michael Medved audio of accounts of Revolutionary War battles
"Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death!" Patrick Henry's famous speech
Edmund Burke's Plea for Conciliation with the American Colonies
Washington's First Inaugural Address
Treaty with the Six Nations
Washington's Farewell Address
Treaty with France
Treaty with Great Britain
Miracle at Philadelphia, by Catherine Drinker Bowen
The Invasion of Canada, by Pierre Berton
Speech by William Wilberforce concerning the slave trade
Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation, by Joseph J. Ellis
Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin
John Adams, by David McCullough
London to Land's End, by Daniel Defoe
Undaunted Courage, by Stephen E. Ambrose
A Journey to the Western Islands of Scotland by Samuel Johnson

Ack, my charger stopped working, my laptop is at 2% and about to die. That was just the list for History, Biographies, and Geography. I still haven't gotten to Citizenship, Government/Economics, Worldview, Literature, Poetry, Grammar, Recitation, Logic, Art...and all the other subjects. I am using an adapted version of the following list if you are curious:
http://amblesideonline.org/09bks.shtml

In short; I am able to have our kids read the direct source material rather than have them go thru a textbook that topically covers many subjects. In the end our kids find this approach interesting. I confess that I find it to be interesting as well. We should spend roughly 4 hours a day on schoolwork, and then they will have a large portion of the day to explore our 5 acres of semi-wilderness, or to attend other social functions in town or at out parish.
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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #690 on: July 13, 2016, 04:02:44 PM »
We're going back to public school for our oldest three this year. The teaching part of homeschool wasn't working out, and there's no way we could afford the parochial schools around here, which aren't much better anyway.

And honestly, anything they'd be exposed to at school from other kids is probably not that different from what they'd hear from neighborhood kids at this point. I guess we're going to have to watch out to make sure they don't get any funny ideas from the white students.
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« Reply #691 on: July 13, 2016, 04:24:08 PM »
Homeschooling a formal education isn't for everyone. Yet, any good parent is already "doing" homeschooling to some extent or another just by interacting with their children. Homeschooling works for our family for now.

I will confess that I am less than pleased that the recent mandates have made all changing rooms open to anyone that identifies with a particular gender. Being a teen is hard enough without being a guy with a woman changing in the same room as you, or a girl with a guy changing in the same room as you. When I attended high school, we had guys that went to the bathroom in the girls room. The gay guys and trans guys would always change in the boys rooms. I don't believe changing rooms should be open to anyone and everyone that "identifies" as a gender. Since individual feelings and belief are incapable of being proven, a man or woman could claim to be a gender without any outward indication of such and no one could question it (indeed, if they did it would be violating our current state laws).

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Re: Homeschool VS Public School
« Reply #692 on: July 14, 2016, 07:15:37 PM »
Homeschooling a formal education isn't for everyone. Yet, any good parent is already "doing" homeschooling to some extent or another just by interacting with their children. Homeschooling works for our family for now.

I will confess that I am less than pleased that the recent mandates have made all changing rooms open to anyone that identifies with a particular gender. Being a teen is hard enough without being a guy with a woman changing in the same room as you, or a girl with a guy changing in the same room as you. When I attended high school, we had guys that went to the bathroom in the girls room. The gay guys and trans guys would always change in the boys rooms. I don't believe changing rooms should be open to anyone and everyone that "identifies" as a gender. Since individual feelings and belief are incapable of being proven, a man or woman could claim to be a gender without any outward indication of such and no one could question it (indeed, if they did it would be violating our current state laws).

I loved your first post!  It reminds me I need to go rifle through AO's reading lists again.  My babies are growing faster every day.  I'd love 5 acres of semi-wilderness, too!  I doubt it will happen for us soon enough, though.  My dream for them for their upper teen years is independent, research-based, and interest led.  I also want them to develop goals they find worth working for.  But we shall see what happens!

You have floored me with your last paragraph; I generally opt out of the media.  I'll have to go look into that.  The thought did occur to me a couple of weeks ago, though.  "What would I do if...?"  Maybe I picked something up somehow.  I'm sorry you have to weigh that situation.  :(