Ok I have been stewing on this post of yours GreekChristian, so I am going to write it off, and then move on because it's probably not worth my time. The more and more I read things on this forum, the more and more I realize it's probably not to my advantage to spend alot of time here. It's too far outside my way of thinking.
Freedom of thought and speech is always benificial, it makes people think, question themselves and advance closer towards the truth. Ignorance may be bliss, but it is also inconsonant with truth. On this site we have people from the entire political and cultural spectrum, which is benificial for all involved.
The response that I wrote was satirical in nature, something that is hard to determine from typed words alone. So then, it went into this HUGE thing about Islam and headcoverings...wow! Maybe if I had posted a DIFFERENT picture of myself, i.e. without a scarf, I would have received a different toned answer.
Dont take my statements personally, I have addressed this issue before, as implied in my post, I am attacking a political posistion, a weltanschauung, not you personally. I really have nothing against a woman wearing a headscarf in the proper context, but when it's required (or even recommended) or forced or an issue is made out of it or it becomes a point of pharisaic 'correctness,' then I do have an objection to what I consider an Islamic mindset.
2. you've never been to a Serbian Orthodox Church on January 6th, have you, that's the Eve of the Nativity by the way, so many people it's against fire code-I am always afraid of getting trampled.
One day a year? Perhaps two including Pascha? Hardly a good reason to adjust the Church's architecture.
3. the stiletto remark was a JOKE, you know like, "ha, ha". Maybe you should wear a pair sometime and maybe you could understand my sentiment. There uncomfortable and *FOR ME* I feel there not conducive to actively participating in the Divine Services.
Well, if they're not comfortable, perhaps people are wearing them for ascetic exercise?
I knew it was a joke, but a joke with an underlying contempt for modern fashion norms.
Secondly, I really don't care WHAT Senators wear. Where did that come from?
It was put forward to establish that it is the norm in our culture and society. The 13th canon of Gangera:
If any of the menfolk uses a wrapper for the sake of supposedly ascetic exercise, and as if endowed with righteousness by this he should regard disdainfully those men who are wearing robes called beri and using the common dress which is in vogue, let him be anathema.
Addresses the problem, which arose in the fourth century, of people wearing certain types under the pretense that they were some how more holy than other clothing, and distaining people who would wear the common dress. The fact that female senators wear pant-suits establishes that they are acceptable formal wear in the context of our culture, thus making it highly inappropriate, or worse, for an ecclesiastical body that claims to be orthodox to show prejudice against the above mentioned clothing.
AND NO-I don't have an affinity for "Islamic headgear". But I will say the Panagia wore her HIJAB way before any of Muhammad's wives so is it truly Islamic? And why is there so much anti-Muslim rhetoric here? Muslims aren't the only ones who have standards for modesty-at least while at prayer, Jews do, Roman Catholics used to, Amish do, Mennonites do, Sikhs do, and I am sure there are many more.
OK, I'm just going to cut and paste my response to a similar criticism earlier in this thread:
No, it's not a joke, it's hyperbole. It is a charge against those who absolutize an ancient culture and do everything in their power to prevent it from evolving, from modernizing. This is this islamic mindset that I believe to be a threat to the Orthodox Church...there's nothing wrong with wearing a headscarf, but if one is going to insist on it, require it, view it as a symbol of being Orthodox, consider it as part of their religious/cultural identity in the modern age...then THAT is a problem....THAT is what I'm condemning as an Islamic weltanschauung.
People can rip Muslims all they want-however take a look at there statistics for, say, AIDS. The instance of sexually transmitted diseases are not even on the map when compared to other developed and non-developed countries.
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The homosexual agenda is non-existent.
Yes, it just all happens behind closed doors, like it did in Victorian England...that's a great solution...out of sight out of mind, we dont even have to address the problem.
So please forgive me if I have offended anyone. I wonder though, for all those out there that consider St. Paul's admonition "outdated"-where does it stop and how do you make that determintation?
Things change with changing culture, but ultimately it is up to our bishops to make the determinatino of what prohibitions are cultural and outdated, and which arn't.
WATERING DOWN THE TRUE FAITH AND PATRISTIC WISDOM IS THE REAL THREAT. EVENTUALLY IT WILL BE SO DILUTED THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT TO SAVOR.
The true faith does not lie in clothes or customs, it has to do with the Adoration of the Triune God and our Incarnate Lord. The patristic wisdom is not their opinions on various cultural norms of the day but rather their methodology of combining scripture, philosophy, and science to learn and proclaim the true theology of the Church.