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« Reply #9585 on: August 06, 2011, 09:57:54 AM »

I have some hipster related questions (the only thing I know is that hipsters do not self-identify as such):

How is it related to a subculture?  Is it a sub-subculture, an archsubculture, or none of the above?  Did mainstream folks just decide one day that it wasn't "cool" to be perceived as mainstream?

Do hipsters listen to a specific kind of music?  Most subcultures traditionally identify with a particular form of music, usually being somewhat eponymous, e.g. punks=punk rock, metalheads=heavy metal, mods=mod (and soul and reggae/ska), rockers=rock 'n roll/rockabilly, ravers=rubbish, etc.  Seems they don't, or I don't know about it.  I'm guessing it's horrid though.
Indie rock is generally the primary component of a hipster's iPod, but this can vary. Underground hip hop, trip hop, trance, and industrial are also unpopular enough to be popular. Some classic rock, folk, blues, jazz, and/or classical may be included to ensure other hipsters of their culturedness. The emphasis is less on the type of music and more on the obscurity of it and very strong opinions related to it.
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« Reply #9586 on: August 06, 2011, 12:12:08 PM »

I have some hipster related questions (the only thing I know is that hipsters do not self-identify as such):

How is it related to a subculture?  Is it a sub-subculture, an archsubculture, or none of the above?  Did mainstream folks just decide one day that it wasn't "cool" to be perceived as mainstream?

Do hipsters listen to a specific kind of music?  Most subcultures traditionally identify with a particular form of music, usually being somewhat eponymous, e.g. punks=punk rock, metalheads=heavy metal, mods=mod (and soul and reggae/ska), rockers=rock 'n roll/rockabilly, ravers=rubbish, etc.  Seems they don't, or I don't know about it.  I'm guessing it's horrid though.
Indie rock is generally the primary component of a hipster's iPod, but this can vary. Underground hip hop, trip hop, trance, and industrial are also unpopular enough to be popular. Some classic rock, folk, blues, jazz, and/or classical may be included to ensure other hipsters of their culturedness. The emphasis is less on the type of music and more on the obscurity of it and very strong opinions related to it.

That is my problem with hipsters, they are uniform insects that are constantly drawn to my blazing aura of the obscurant, blinded and flying headlong into me one after another attempting to find something authentically other.

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Or the appropriation of the completely and openly "popular" expressions of culture decades gone by with an ironic twist (which happens to be, just to own or know about the dar* thing). The more obscure the pop reference or more obscure the commercial fetishization of it, the better.

If your girlfriend had a Small Wonder school lunch box, she might be a hipster.

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« Reply #9587 on: August 06, 2011, 12:21:41 PM »

The thing with so-call hipsterism it that some see it as a counter-cultural sub-group.

That is about the most insane thing written or those hipsters or more brilliantly ironic than I thought. For it is the absolute first "counter-cultural movement" *vomit*, which is solely based on consumerism.

It is not the counter to American culture but the height of it.

Not only has the dissent been commodified (we saw this growing from the 50s-90s):



http://www.amazon.com/Commodify-Your-Dissent-Salvos-Baffler/dp/0393316734

But the dissent has been stripped away and American popular counter-culture shown to be what it always has been at its essence, the very essence of what it attempts to counter: Americanism, identity via consumption.

 
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« Reply #9588 on: August 06, 2011, 12:56:01 PM »

I thought it was a free country, and people could do what they want. But I guess not, now, because they have to get past the guy who's put himself at the gate- and who's the snobbier by far.

By the way, I've never met a "hipster."

Why do you care, anyway? Don't you have anything better to do?  Huh
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« Reply #9589 on: August 06, 2011, 12:57:07 PM »

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But the dissent has been stripped away and American popular counter-culture shown to be what it always has been at its essence, the very essence of what it attempts to counter: Americanism, identity via consumption.

Says you. Because you live in a tree, wear clothes made out of leaves, and never buy anything.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9590 on: August 06, 2011, 12:59:20 PM »

Why do you care, anyway? Don't you have anything better to do?  Huh
Why do you care, anyway? Don't you have anything better to do?  Huh




Biro, I'll tell you ahead of time, we can both keep doing this back and forth forever. I am game, if you are. I always liked that one Dr. Seuss story abou the two guys who wouldn't move of out each other's way and the whole world just built itself around them.
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« Reply #9591 on: August 06, 2011, 12:59:36 PM »

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But the dissent has been stripped away and American popular counter-culture shown to be what it always has been at its essence, the very essence of what it attempts to counter: Americanism, identity via consumption.

Says you. Because you live in a tree, wear clothes made out of leaves, and never buy anything.  Roll Eyes

Why do you care, anyway? Don't you have anything better to do?  Huh
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« Reply #9592 on: August 06, 2011, 01:01:40 PM »

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But the dissent has been stripped away and American popular counter-culture shown to be what it always has been at its essence, the very essence of what it attempts to counter: Americanism, identity via consumption.

Says you. Because you live in a tree, wear clothes made out of leaves, and never buy anything.  Roll Eyes

I'll let Theo tell you the fallacy you are making here. He likes that stuff.

I am just going to say it isn't a very clever critique. Sorta cliched. If you are going to disagree at least entertain me.
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« Reply #9593 on: August 06, 2011, 01:20:35 PM »

A refutation of you is actually quite easy, but I only have time to look at things from one angle: that being, why are you so obsessed with the word hipster? This is quite obvious to anyone who thinks about it. First, one anagram of hipster is "the rips"; I would conjecture, therefore, that you have some gi issues and "the rips" is a euphemism for that, and that you are being drawn to the word hipster indirectly through some kind of psychosomatic 6th sense. Sort of how my pap used to always saying that he knew it was going to storm because his feet hurt. Only not like that. Second, let us do a rather simple assigning of numbers to letters, so that a=1, b=2, and so on. Hipster would then be 8/9/16/19/20/5/18. Adding the numbers would give us 95. As is common knowledge, the mass of Saturn is 95 times that of the Earth. And what is unique to Saturn? Obviously that it is the only planet that is less dense than water. Thus orthonorm, by subconsciously connecting all these dots, realised that hipsters are really much less dense than himself, and, being enraged, began to rail against them with a mighty howl. Third and finally, Cosmo Kramer was a hipster dufus, ergo being a hipster is cool (Cosmo Kramer is not to be confused with Michael Richards).
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« Reply #9594 on: August 06, 2011, 01:33:13 PM »

A refutation of you is actually quite easy, but I only have time to look at things from one angle: that being, why are you so obsessed with the word hipster? This is quite obvious to anyone who thinks about it. First, one anagram of hipster is "the rips"; I would conjecture, therefore, that you have some gi issues and "the rips" is a euphemism for that, and that you are being drawn to the word hipster indirectly through some kind of psychosomatic 6th sense. Sort of how my pap used to always saying that he knew it was going to storm because his feet hurt. Only not like that. Second, let us do a rather simple assigning of numbers to letters, so that a=1, b=2, and so on. Hipster would then be 8/9/16/19/20/5/18. Adding the numbers would give us 95. As is common knowledge, the mass of Saturn is 95 times that of the Earth. And what is unique to Saturn? Obviously that it is the only planet that is less dense than water. Thus orthonorm, by subconsciously connecting all these dots, realised that hipsters are really much less dense than himself, and, being enraged, began to rail against them with a mighty howl. Third and finally, Cosmo Kramer was a hipster dufus, ergo being a hipster is cool (Cosmo Kramer is not to be confused with Michael Richards).

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« Reply #9595 on: August 06, 2011, 02:52:43 PM »

The definition of hipster can be rather fluid, but I think there are some common characteristics.

1) They like taking photos, usually of themselves.
2) Their style of dress isn't minimalist, but more like "How much **** can I pile on so I look deliberately ugly?""
3) They usually embrace Apple technology
4) Most of them have a twitter/blog/fake business on the side, where they sell Goodwill finds for 10x the price.
5) They inappropriately adopt cultural traditions for God knows what reason.
6) They talk about how "different" and "weird" they are all the time.

I don't really mind the hipster moniker btw...I don't think that I am one (but I guess all hipsters think that as well), but I am a little crazy about being anti-waste, went to a liberal arts college, love analyzing other cultures too much, dress like an urban hippie chick, etc. etc. I like to think that I don't embrace the worst qualities of the hipster. Wink

In unrelated news, the landlord still needs to do a cleaning on the apartment so we aren't moving in until Wednesday.  Angry I offered to do the cleaning myself but he didn't take me up on that offer. Who wouldn't?!!!
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« Reply #9596 on: August 06, 2011, 04:55:07 PM »

I stole this quote from wikipedia, though I wish I could claim authorship:

"Hipster is what happens when pastiche and irony exhaust themselves as aesthetics".

Perfect summation.
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« Reply #9597 on: August 06, 2011, 05:14:41 PM »

I stole this quote from wikipedia, though I wish I could claim authorship:

"Hipster is what happens when pastiche and irony exhaust themselves me as aesthetics".

Perfect summation.

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« Reply #9598 on: August 06, 2011, 09:01:32 PM »

I stole this quote from wikipedia, though I wish I could claim authorship:

"Hipster is what happens when pastiche and irony exhaust themselves as aesthetics".

Perfect summation.
I feel like a hipster probably wrote that.  Smiley

Other randomness: Has anyone visited their local Borders, now that they are closing? I am actually pretty upset about it, because it's the last bookstore in our town (besides the used bookstores run by hippies who don't know how to organize the books or run a business properly). We just had another one close a few months ago.

But being the lemonade gal that I am, I have been stopping by occasionally to pick up some books. Mr. Ismi has me on a limit because we're moving (luckily that limit is lifted once we're in the new apartment! whoo). The prices aren't good enough to buy from the main sections yet, but I've been going through the clearance. Got a bunch of Arabic newspapers, some new travelogues and political books, and I raided the foreign language section. Picked up some "How to learn" books for Greek, Serbian, Czech, etc, schizophrenic about foreign languages as I am.

I like to think that the Kindle is restraining me from buying more, but I really doubt that.
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« Reply #9599 on: August 06, 2011, 10:10:03 PM »

Meh. More bad book happenings. I was just thinking about the state of real books tonight. Libraries are one of the greatest inventions of man, and by the time I'm old enough to retire they'll probably be extinct. My whole world is collapsing around me. Sad Sad Sad

Anyway, life moves on  Smiley
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« Reply #9600 on: August 06, 2011, 10:31:49 PM »

It really is sad, but as I am trying to be more of a minimalist, the e-books are sounding like a better and better option every day.

But it's just going to increase our appetites for consumption. With Netflix, the Internet, and now downloadable E-books, it's so easy to find most things that we need, and we'll just keep craving more. I am thoroughly embarrassed about how I can barely go a week without buying another book (albeit cheaply). Lord have mercy on those of us privileged enough to have this struggle, that we continue to remember those who can barely afford to feed themselves, curbing our desire to acquire more and more.
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« Reply #9601 on: August 07, 2011, 12:58:49 AM »

I just poured superglue into a non-stick pan. Someone's going to be wrong.
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« Reply #9602 on: August 07, 2011, 06:48:22 AM »

I just poured superglue into a non-stick pan. Someone's going to be wrong.


Lol! Reminds me of Steven Wright. Smiley



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« Reply #9603 on: August 07, 2011, 01:05:11 PM »

Its rli interesting to click on the members online thing at the bottom because it tells you what people are reading including the guests who is not registered. Sometimes i have found some rli interestng threads that way because someone is reading a old thread and the title is something good. BUT there is one guest who is posting in the "porn addiction kicks back in....please pray for me" thread that has been stuck like that for the last three days at least!!! lolOl seriously check it every day and youll see they are STILL "posting" haha...

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« Reply #9604 on: August 07, 2011, 01:14:03 PM »

Sometimes I leave windows open and then go out to dinner and check the messages later. It sure must look like I'm here 24/7! (having a smartphone and checking messages while I'm waiting at Pep Boys doesn't help Wink )
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« Reply #9605 on: August 07, 2011, 01:16:15 PM »

I just poured superglue into a non-stick pan. Someone's going to be wrong.
Hopefully you caught that before adding the vegetables!
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« Reply #9606 on: August 07, 2011, 01:19:48 PM »

Sometimes I leave windows open and then go out to dinner and check the messages later. It sure must look like I'm here 24/7! (having a smartphone and checking messages while I'm waiting at Pep Boys doesn't help Wink )


I can't keep track. I use too many devices to check in here. I am bound to be "here" on any two at a given time. I wonder if I get double or triple of the amount of login time for doing so?
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Other randomness: Has anyone visited their local Borders, now that they are closing? I am actually pretty upset about it, because it's the last bookstore in our town (besides the used bookstores run by hippies who don't know how to organize the books or run a business properly). We just had another one close a few months ago.

But being the lemonade gal that I am, I have been stopping by occasionally to pick up some books. Mr. Ismi has me on a limit because we're moving (luckily that limit is lifted once we're in the new apartment! whoo). The prices aren't good enough to buy from the main sections yet, but I've been going through the clearance. Got a bunch of Arabic newspapers, some new travelogues and political books, and I raided the foreign language section. Picked up some "How to learn" books for Greek, Serbian, Czech, etc, schizophrenic about foreign languages as I am.

I like to think that the Kindle is restraining me from buying more, but I really doubt that.
  The Mrs. and I went a couple weeks ago.  It was depressing.  We do not know if we are going to return, even though we still have a gift card. Undecided
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Sometimes I leave windows open and then go out to dinner and check the messages later. It sure must look like I'm here 24/7! (having a smartphone and checking messages while I'm waiting at Pep Boys doesn't help Wink )


I can't keep track. I use too many devices to check in here. I am bound to be "here" on any two at a given time. I wonder if I get double or triple of the amount of login time for doing so?

No such luck. It only keeps track of the time if you are clicking around, if I recall correctly.
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« Reply #9609 on: August 07, 2011, 02:18:07 PM »

I need a CD of ice cream truck music. So I can drive with my stereo on full blast and watch the disappointment on all the little kids faces.
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« Reply #9610 on: August 07, 2011, 03:09:25 PM »

I just poured superglue into a non-stick pan. Someone's going to be wrong.

I'd be interested to know how this worked...supposing it wasn't a joke.

SUperglue requires a very porous surface to work (hence why it loves your fingers).  I've built plenty of models with super glue.  Resin and pewter work pretty well though you have to score it.  Plastic works but the slightest shear tension will snap the bond.  Never tried with teflon...
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« Reply #9611 on: August 07, 2011, 03:11:54 PM »

I stole this quote from wikipedia, though I wish I could claim authorship:

"Hipster is what happens when pastiche and irony exhaust themselves as aesthetics".

Perfect summation.

Other randomness: Has anyone visited their local Borders, now that they are closing? I am actually pretty upset about it, because it's the last bookstore in our town (besides the used bookstores run by hippies who don't know how to organize the books or run a business properly). We just had another one close a few months ago.


Thanks for reminding me.  I felt like an old friend has just died when someone told me that.  I'm thinking about going there with a bottle of bourbon, wailing like the mother of a suicide bomber at the funeral...
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« Reply #9612 on: August 07, 2011, 04:39:32 PM »

Has anyone visited their local Borders, now that they are closing?

Oh yeah! I should go buy all those CD's on sale.  police
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« Reply #9613 on: August 08, 2011, 12:53:51 AM »

^ By the time we got there on our second trip, there were Britney Spears CDs and not much else. Wink I wish you luck!

I'm now obsessed with the "Who's online" feature, thank you, Poppy. I feel really stalker-y by going down the lists, purposely for my own amusement. As for me, I think I need to go invisible, now that I'm drawing hasty conclusions about everyone based on what threads they are reading. I don't think I want to be psychoanalyzed.  angel

But seeing who's online at the time to send them a PM is good, too. Plus, people can know that I'm up for chatting.

Decisions, decisions....
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« Reply #9614 on: August 08, 2011, 01:17:00 AM »

Lol, I've long used that function, but it can be frustrating. Sometimes you want to go to bed, but you see it say that someone is posting in a thread, and you really want to wait up to see what they say. So you wait. And wait. And wait. And they never do post in the thread.  Angry Cry Grin  Other than myself I see Salpy using that function, but not a lot of others. You are more than welcome to join the voyeur party! Oh, and...

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« Reply #9615 on: August 08, 2011, 01:23:10 AM »

Lol, I've long used that function, but it can be frustrating. Sometimes you want to go to bed, but you see it say that someone is posting in a thread, and you really want to wait up to see what they say. So you wait. And wait. And wait. And they never do post in the thread.  Angry Cry Grin  Other than myself I see Salpy using that function, but not a lot of others. You are more than welcome to join the voyeur party! Oh, and...

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I used to use the function much in the same way you describe. Smiley
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« Reply #9616 on: August 08, 2011, 06:45:15 AM »

One good thing about living in Australia is that virtually no-one is online when I am.
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« Reply #9617 on: August 08, 2011, 08:36:14 AM »

Lol, I've long used that function, but it can be frustrating. Sometimes you want to go to bed, but you see it say that someone is posting in a thread, and you really want to wait up to see what they say. So you wait. And wait. And wait. And they never do post in the thread.  Angry Cry Grin  Other than myself I see Salpy using that function, but not a lot of others. You are more than welcome to join the voyeur party!
I guess if I'm joining the voyeur party, I better put myself out there as well! So visible I shall remain.

And I wonder if the people are like me...read a thread, leave the window open, wander off to cook dinner, clean the house, talk to significant other for a while, phone rings, chat with friend, watch TV, eventually get back to the thread 3 or 4 hours later.

I also want to try viewing OC.net from my phone, laptop and kindle at the same time and try to confuse the system, but not sure if that would work. Smiley
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« Reply #9618 on: August 08, 2011, 09:10:13 AM »

Lol, I've long used that function, but it can be frustrating. Sometimes you want to go to bed, but you see it say that someone is posting in a thread, and you really want to wait up to see what they say. So you wait. And wait. And wait. And they never do post in the thread.  Angry Cry Grin  Other than myself I see Salpy using that function, but not a lot of others. You are more than welcome to join the voyeur party! Oh, and...

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I used to use the function much in the same way you describe. Smiley

Me too.
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« Reply #9619 on: August 09, 2011, 03:36:26 PM »

ugh!!!! i am surrounded by ppl who think they are so fierce for using phrases that NOONE apart from pathetic middel aged...wish they was 30 years younger....WANABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ use because noone uses them no more apart from them and infant school kids!!!!

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haha....

then they give it billy big bananas about what all they got up to and how on it they was and blah blah blah blah flipin blah!!!!! when you KNOW that alls they did was watch it all go on around them and look it up on google to learn the words. THEY THINK IT MAKES THEM SAFE but it just makes them standard.

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WHY CANT PPL JUST BE THERESELF!!!!!! even boring ppl are interesting if there genuine!!!!!!!!!!!

anything else is just sad



ok now im done lolOl
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« Reply #9620 on: August 09, 2011, 03:43:27 PM »

ugh!!!! i am surrounded by ppl who think they are so fierce

Not sure what you're on about, but using the word fierce like that reminds me of Christian from Project Runway...



But hey man, whatever makes your donut sweet! Right arm! Farm out! Gravy!
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« Reply #9621 on: August 09, 2011, 04:24:46 PM »

ugh!!!! i am surrounded by ppl who think they are so fierce

Not sure what you're on about, but using the word fierce like that reminds me of Christian from Project Runway...



But hey man, whatever makes your donut sweet! Right arm! Farm out! Gravy!

Where do you find the time . . .
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« Reply #9622 on: August 09, 2011, 04:28:11 PM »

ugh!!!! i am surrounded by ppl who think they are so fierce for using phrases that NOONE apart from pathetic middel aged...wish they was 30 years younger....WANABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ use because noone uses them no more apart from them and infant school kids!!!!

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ok rant ovr

WHY CANT PPL JUST BE THERESELF!!!!!! even boring ppl are interesting if there genuine!!!!!!!!!!!

anything else is just sad



ok now im done lolOl

I want you, pasadi, and aflie in thread debating a single topic. If the mods could lock out everyone else from participating and suspend all forum rules.

OC.net Deathmatch.
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« Reply #9623 on: August 09, 2011, 04:31:18 PM »

I want you, pasadi, and aflie in thread debating a single topic. If the mods could lock out everyone else from participating and suspend all forum rules.

OC.net Deathmatch.

I'm already making popcorn.
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« Reply #9624 on: August 09, 2011, 05:03:33 PM »

ugh!!!! i am surrounded by ppl who think they are so fierce

Not sure what you're on about, but using the word fierce like that reminds me of Christian from Project Runway...



But hey man, whatever makes your donut sweet! Right arm! Farm out! Gravy!

just some nominal at work who is getting on my nerves, im over it now i have some stuffed vine leaves YUMS!!

he looks like gaydan lolOl ouch if he see i wrote that he will slice me

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« Reply #9625 on: August 09, 2011, 05:37:50 PM »

Asteriktos, are you a closet Bravo fan, too? Wink

I stopped watching PR sometime around Season 4 (although I'm a die-hard Top Chef and Housewives fan when I have a TV). But I remember Ms. Fierceeeeeee!

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« Reply #9626 on: August 09, 2011, 08:50:50 PM »

I used to watch Bravo more than I do now... right now I mostly just watch the various Top Chef shows, though the original TC is the only one I follow with fanboy-like devotion.
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« Reply #9627 on: August 09, 2011, 08:58:48 PM »

Yeah, some of their new programs are mehhh. Of course the Housewives are getting more and more ridiculous every year, but I've been watching since the beginning, so it's a compulsion. (Haven't watched in a few months, though). I think the first few seasons of TC were good, but after All-Stars, I'm a bit afraid to see what the next seasons will be like.
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« Reply #9628 on: August 09, 2011, 09:35:00 PM »

And I thought I wasted my time . . .

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« Reply #9629 on: August 09, 2011, 09:38:26 PM »

And I thought I wasted my time . . .


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