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« Reply #9090 on: March 16, 2011, 02:37:10 PM »

This article appeared in "The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" :

"Diet-dependent acid load, Paleolithic nutrition, and evolutionary health promotion"

You can download it here:  http://thepaleodiet.com/testimonials/

[Burning, relevant ad hominem redacted]

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« Reply #9091 on: March 16, 2011, 03:34:40 PM »

People have told me that tofu is supposed to take on the whatever other flavors are around it... I dunno, I didn't like it either *shrugs*

Tofu is not good for you. For one thing, it's very estrogenic. So if you're a guy and have been eating it and suddenly been interested in watching episodes of "The Bachelor" and "Say Yes to the Dress"...... cut back

but these types of things only make a difference if you consume large amounts of it, correct? Or so I've heard...

Here are are a few articles about Soy and health:

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy-alert/266-myths-and-truths-about-soy.html

https://westonaprice.org/soy-alert/711.html

https://westonaprice.org/soy-alert/673-soy-and-the-brain.html

From a health cult started by a dentist. Try a medpub search.

Yet another ad hominem remark...  Says a lot.

People can simply read the articles, weigh the evidence and decide for themselves.

Btw...These articles were not written by Dr. Price. Contributors to this site vary widely but most are highly credentialed. For example Dr. Mary Enig
is a regular contributor. She is best known for her work that proved Trans-Fats ( Artificial Fat made from vegetable oils) are harmful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_G._Enig

Yeah and Creation Scientists can drum out some physicists to back their agenda as well.

pubmed > internet cultery

Wow..All I hear from you are pot shots and fuzzy metaphors.

You just offer internet guruism. Real peer reviewed research, please. (There is little consensus, to save you the time.) I've already provided links to places you can go where these things are studied in detail.

How the Holy Fathers got by without your new "insights" into diet, I'll never know.

And an ad hominem is not a fallacy always btw.



I just posted Mary Enig's wikipedia page that lists all of her published papers. She is co-founder of the Weston Price Foundation...

Here. Let me help you;

    * Mary Enig, Trans fatty acids in the food supply: A comprehensive report covering 60 years of research, (Enig Associates, 1993).
    * Sally Fallon, with Dr Mary Enig (contributing editor), Nourishing Traditions: The Cookbook that Challenges Politically Correct Nutrition and the Diet Dictocrats, (NewTrends Publishing, October 1999). ISBN 0-96708-973-5, ISBN 978-0967089737.
    * Mary Enig, Know Your Fats: The Complete Primer for Understanding the Nutrition of Fats, Oils and Cholesterol, (Bethesda Press, May 2000). ISBN 0-96781-260-7, ISBN 978-0967812601.
    * Mary Enig and Sally Fallon, Eat Fat Lose Fat – The Healthy Alternative to Trans Fats, (Plume, March 28, 2006). ISBN 0452285666, ISBN 978-0452285668.

ChapterEdit

    * Mary Enig, "Diet, serum cholesterol and coronary heart disease", in Mann GV (ed): Coronary Heart Disease: The Dietary Sense and Nonsense – An evaluation by scientists. (Janus Publishing, London, 1993). pp 36-60. ISBN 1857560728.

Scientific papersEdit

    * Enig, MG; Munn, RJ; Keeney, M. (1978). "Dietary fat and cancer trends--a critique". Federation proceedings 37 (9): 2215–20. PMID 566221.
    * Enig, MG; Pallansch, LA; Sampugna, J; Keeney, M. (1983). "Fatty acid composition of the fat in selected food items with emphasis on trans components". Journal of the American Oil Chemists’ Society 60: 1788. doi:10.1007/BF02680357.
    * Enig, MG; Budowski, P; Blondheim, SH (1984). "Trans-unsaturated fatty acids in margarines and human subcutaneous fat in Israel". Human nutrition. Clinical nutrition 38 (3): 223–30. PMID 6086551.
    * Enig, MG; Atal, S; Keeney, M; Sampugna, J (1990). "Isomeric trans fatty acids in the U.S. diet". Journal of the American College of Nutrition 9 (5): 471–86. PMID 2258534.
    * Lieberman, Shari, Mary G. Enig, Harry G. Preuss. (December 2006). A Review of Monolaurin and Lauric Acid: Natural Virucidal and Bactericidal Agents. Alternative and Complementary Therapies 12 (6): 310-314. doi:10.1089/act.2006.12.310

Letters to the editorEdit

    * Enig MG. (September 1, 1994). More on Coronary heart disease: the dietary sense and nonsense. New England Journal of Medicine 331 (9): 615. PubMed.
    * Ravnskov U, Allen C, Atrens D, Enig MG, Groves B, Kauffman JM, Kroneld R, Rosch PJ, Rosenman R, Werkö L, Nielsen JV, Wilske J, Worm N. (February 22, 2002). Studies of dietary fat and heart disease. Science 295 (5559): 1464-6. doi: 10.1126/science.295.5559.1464c PubMed

ReferencesEdit

   1. ^ a b Passwater, Richard A. (November 1993–January 1994). Health Risks from Processed Foods and Trans Fats. Interview with Dr. Mary Enig. Whole Foods Magazine.
   2. ^ "Verification Page". Maryland Board of Dietetic Practice. https://mdbnc.dhmh.md.gov/dietVerification/Details.aspx?ID=6878.
   3. ^ Eauclaire, Sally. (July 1996). "Soy backlash". Vegetarian Times. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0820/is_n227/ai_18432895/.
   4. ^ "American College of Nutrition - Awards Information". http://www.americancollegeofnutrition.org/Default.aspx?tabid=121. Retrieved 10 August 2008.
   5. ^ "Member List". The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics. http://www.thincs.org/members.htm.
   6. ^ "Weston A Price Foundation Board of Directors". http://www.westonaprice.org/board-of-directors.html.
   7. ^ Bowden, Jonny. (2007). The 150 Healthiest Foods on Earth – The Surprising, Unbiased Truth About What You Should Eat and Why. Gloucester, MA: Fair Winds Press. pp. 108, 167, 177, 301, 311. ISBN 1592332285.
   8. ^ a b Special interest’s secret recipe. (June 15, 2006). The Washington Times. Retrieved march 10, 2011.
   9. ^ Burros, Marian. (October 7, 1992). Now What? U.S. Study Says Margarine May Be Harmful. The New York Times. Retrieved March 10, 2011.
  10. ^ Trimming the Fats. (December 10, 2003). The Washington Post.
  11. ^ a b Webb, Densie. (September 5, 1990). Processed oils rival butter in raising cholesterol. Wilmington Morning Star. N.Y. Times News Service.
  12. ^ Enig, Mary (April 25, 1996). "A New Look at Coconut Oil – Health and Nutritional Benefits from Coconut Oil: An Important Functional Food for the 21st Century". http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/541-new-look-at-coconut-oil.html.  Presented at the AVOC Lauric Oils Symposium, Ho Chi Min City, Vietnam.
  13. ^ Punchihewa, P.G. Recent Activities of the Asian Pacific Coconut Community. (October 1999). COGENT Newsletter. IPGRI.
  14. ^ Asian and Pacific Coconut Community. (n.d.).Articles on the Health Benefits of Coconut Oil.
  15. ^ a b Enig, Mary (May 2000). Know Your Fats. Bethesda Press. pp. 114. ISBN 0-96781-260-7.
  16. ^ Enig, Mary (September 1995). "Health and nutritional benefits from coconut oil and its advantages over competing oils". Indian Coconut Journal. http://coconutboard.gov.in/English-Article-MaryEnig.pdf. Retrieved March 11, 2011.
  17. ^ Enig, Mary. "On Natural Coconut Oil for AIDS and Other Viral Infections". http://www.aspartame.ca/page_oho2b.htm.
  18. ^ Garin: Claims on health benefits of VCO need proof The Philippine Star. 12 Sept 2010.
  19. ^ Enig, Mary (December 18, 2006). "More Good News on Coconut Oil". The Weston A. Price Foundation. http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/533-more-good-news-on-coconut-oil.html. Retrieved March 6, 2011.
  20. ^ Enig, Mary (December 31, 2001). "Lowfat Diets". The Weston A. Price Foundation. http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/547-lowfat-diets.html.
  21. ^ Mary G. Enig and Sally Fallon Eat Fat, Lose Fat: Lose Weight and Feel Great with Three Delicious, Science-based Coconut Diets, Plume, ISBN 0-45228-566-6
  22. ^ Enig, Mary; Sally Fallon (January 1, 2000). "The Skinny on Fats". The Weston A. Price Foundation. http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/526-skinny-on-fats.html.
  23. ^ Stone, Neil J. (March 31, 1994). Book Review – Coronary Heart Disease: The Dietary Sense and Nonsense – An Evaluation by Scientists. New England Journal of Medicine 330 (9): 943–944.
  24. ^ Enig MG. (September 1, 1994). More on Coronary heart disease: the dietary sense and nonsense. New England Journal of Medicine 331 (9): 615. PubMed.
  25. ^ Ravnskov U, Allen C, Atrens D, Enig MG, Groves B, Kauffman JM, Kroneld R, Rosch PJ, Rosenman R, Werkö L, Nielsen JV, Wilske J, Worm N. (February 22, 2002). Studies of dietary fat and heart disease. Science 295 (5559): 1464-6. doi: 10.1126/science.295.5559.1464c PubMed.
  26. ^ Enig, MG; Munn, RJ; Keeney, M (1978). "Dietary fat and cancer trends--a critique". Federation proceedings 37 (9): 2215–20. PMID 566221.
  27. ^ Interview With Stephen Joseph. (May 12, 2003). Live from the Headlines. CNN.
  28. ^ Hailing publicity, lawyer dunks call for Oreo ban. (May 16, 2003). The Chicago Tribune. Reuters.
  29. ^ Enig, Mary (June 30, 2001). "Cholesterol and Heart Disease—A Phony Issue". The Weston A. Price Foundation. http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/538-cholesterol-and-heart-disease-a-phony-issue.html.
  30. ^ L'Abbé, M R; Stender, S; Skeaff, C M; Tavella, M; Ebert, DS; Delp, EJ (2009). "Approaches to removing trans fats from the food supply in industrialized and developing countries". European Journal of Clinical Nutrition 63: S50. doi:10.1038/ejcn.2009.14. PMC 2830089. PMID 19190645. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=2830089.
  31. ^ Jakobsen, MU; O'Reilly, EJ; Heitmann, BL; Pereira, MA; Bälter, K; Fraser, GE; Goldbourt, U; Hallmans, G et al. (2009). "Major types of dietary fat and risk of coronary heart disease: a pooled analysis of 11 cohort studies". The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 89 (5): 1425–32. doi:10.3945/ajcn.2008.27124. PMC 2676998. PMID 19211817. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=2676998.
  32. ^ Mozaffarian, D; Micha, R; Wallace, S; Wallace, Sarah (2010). "Effects on coronary heart disease of increasing polyunsaturated fat in place of saturated fat: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials". PLoS medicine 7 (3): e1000252. doi:10.1371/journal.pmed.1000252. PMC 2843598. PMID 20351774. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=2843598.
  33. ^ Siri-Tarino, Patty W., Qi Sun, Frank B. Hu, and Ronald M. Krauss. (2010). Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease. The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 91 (3): 535-546. doi:10.3945/ajcn.2009.27725.
  34. ^ Maloof, Rich. Coconut Oil. MSN Health and Fitness.
  35. ^ Enig, Mary; Sally Fallon (1999). "The Oiling of America". The Weston A. Price Foundation. http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/525-the-oiling-of-america.html.
  36. ^ Allyn, Karen. (2006). Forward Motion. Interview with Mary Enig. Washington, DC.
  37. ^ Enig, Mary (July 8, 2004). "The Importance of Saturated Fats for Biological Functions". The Weston A. Price Foundation. http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/528-importance-of-saturated-fats-for-biological-functions.html.
  38. ^ Enig, Mary (September 27, 2004). "Digestion and Absorption of Food Fats". The Weston A. Price Foundation. http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/527-digestion-and-absorption-of-food-fats.html.




Peer-reviewed please on the subject of soy and health and let not take too seriously anything with "meta-analysis" in the title. I can have my doc friend pull up thousands of references is you would like and turn this thread into thousands of pages long.

The point is mute. According to you everyone on the planet should falling off the face of the earth of disease at an early age and yet as mentioned in another thread the Blue Zones don't correspond to your dietary faith, so the diet is bracketed.



Clearly, nothing will make you happier about all this. I have answered your pot shots. You wanted peer reviewed papers. You got them. Still not happy? Then I am not sure anything more can be done to help you feel better.

Btw.. I have talked face the lead researcher of Blue Zones, Dan Beuttner. Have you? There is nothing at odds with what they have found that contradicts either Weston Price or Paleo Diet ideas. He is very quick to warn people that there is no such thing as a "Blue Zone" diet. 
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« Reply #9092 on: March 16, 2011, 04:05:45 PM »

And here I thought I left all the nutritional argument stuff behind when I switched my major away from dietitian (and I switched partly because of arguments like this)...  police Tongue
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« Reply #9093 on: March 16, 2011, 07:41:14 PM »

I am sorry. I just had my Easter confession three hours ago, and I noticed that I am a boor and lout.  Forgive me, I do not deserve forgiveness, I should apologise. I apologise. I hope that boor and lout are not bad words in English, it is only words which describe the word I know in Polish, which I describe myself.
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I hate having to buy new ear buds for my MP3 player.  The sound quality is all over the board.
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« Reply #9095 on: March 17, 2011, 09:17:56 AM »

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« Reply #9096 on: March 17, 2011, 09:19:33 AM »

I hate when my job sends 7 hour assignments at 7 PM. It's lovely to start working at 6.  Undecided I'd rather finish it during the day!


Off for my one hour nap, then....
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« Reply #9097 on: March 17, 2011, 10:50:18 AM »

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"We have to wait until the end of Lent-il we can go on tour!"

Back to cleaning the house!

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« Reply #9098 on: March 17, 2011, 12:10:48 PM »

I am sorry. I just had my Easter confession three hours ago, and I noticed that I am a boor and lout.  Forgive me, I do not deserve forgiveness, I should apologise. I apologise. I hope that boor and lout are not bad words in English, it is only words which describe the word I know in Polish, which I describe myself.

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« Reply #9099 on: March 17, 2011, 03:28:45 PM »

I wonder... Undecided A team of programmers... Does one call them a nerd herd?
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« Reply #9100 on: March 17, 2011, 03:33:54 PM »

I wonder... Undecided A team of programmers... Does one call them a nerd herd?

More likely given today's standards:

A hack pack.

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« Reply #9101 on: March 17, 2011, 03:34:53 PM »

I extremely dislike spring cleaning, but Lent is putting me into a purging mode...loading up the car for Goodwill.

I wish I could let go of more, though.  Undecided I have improved a lot over the years, but I am still a crazy packrat.
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« Reply #9102 on: March 17, 2011, 03:55:27 PM »

I extremely dislike spring cleaning, but Lent is putting me into a purging mode...loading up the car for Goodwill.

I wish I could let go of more, though.  Undecided I have improved a lot over the years, but I am still a crazy packrat.

I did my spring cleaning just before Lent, so that I would have fewer excuses not to spend more time reading and praying at home, not that I have other excuses, but still fewer. Told people I was cragislisting my life away. Actually, have gotten rid of most of stuff over the last couple years.

Still have some stuff to ebay and give away.

Never understood packrats.


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« Reply #9103 on: March 17, 2011, 04:04:10 PM »

I always say that in my past life, I was living in Russia during Stalin's reign.

My family is actually fairly upper class (although I'm as poor as a church mouse now!), but I still tend to hoard things. I have this habit where I take, for example, my makeup collection, and I separate it into three different cases and place them throughout the house. I do this with everything - my magazines, books, etc. So therefore, I have fairly big makeup, perfume, and magazine collections and several of them are hidden. Heck, I have some stuff hidden in my PARENT'S house.

I have a fear of somebody robbing the house or a fire destroying my things. My mentality is that if 1/3 of my book collection is ruined, I might have the other 2/3.  My husband is trying to convince me to put everything in one place but I am going crazy! I did that with most of my makeup and jewelry today and I was struggling a little bit with that.

I act like there are shortages and I tend to stock up on strange items, like body wash, hair ties, and granola bars. My parents are immigrants and we were poorer in my childhood, but I don't even have memories of that.

I don't know what created those habits.

(My fear of my book collection going is pretty understandable -- I've been addicted to books since I was 5 or 6 and I will usually take 5 on a short weekend trip! But the other ones? Not so much.)


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« Reply #9104 on: March 17, 2011, 04:17:20 PM »

I always say that in my past life, I was living in Russia during Stalin's reign.

My family is actually fairly upper class (although I'm as poor as a church mouse now!), but I still tend to hoard things. I have this habit where I take, for example, my makeup collection, and I separate it into three different cases and place them throughout the house. I do this with everything - my magazines, books, etc. So therefore, I have fairly big makeup, perfume, and magazine collections and several of them are hidden. Heck, I have some stuff hidden in my PARENT'S house.

I have a fear of somebody robbing the house or a fire destroying my things. My mentality is that if 1/3 of my book collection is ruined, I might have the other 2/3.  My husband is trying to convince me to put everything in one place but I am going crazy! I did that with most of my makeup and jewelry today and I was struggling a little bit with that.

I act like there are shortages and I tend to stock up on strange items, like body wash, hair ties, and granola bars. My parents are immigrants and we were poorer in my childhood, but I don't even have memories of that.

I don't know what created those habits.

(My fear of my book collection going is pretty understandable -- I've been addicted to books since I was 5 or 6 and I will usually take 5 on a short weekend trip! But the other ones? Not so much.)


Now that you have been exposed to the crazy....  Shocked



Got rid of 1000's of book over the years. Best decision ever. I now am down to fewer than 50. I had a method I used to demonstrate to myself whether to keep them or not.

Now, things I am prone to "lose" I have in dozens. I have at least 10 sets of car / house keys. They eventually get dispersed wherever they need to be found.

Once, I was closing my car door and right before it clicked, I cursed, cause I knew I locked my keys in my car. I shoved my hands in to the pockets of a jacket I hadn't worn in a while and there was a set in there unbeknownst to me.

Clothes I have gotten rid of a lot. Shoes and jackets are the last indulgence. I just have too many for any MAN to have.

When I had my serious injury and could no longer train for sport, it was painful for me to part with all the EQ I had. Had to give up that vanity as well.

Had a decent camera collection I sold over eight years ago. Now liquidating the last of my watches.

Back to books. I live where there is a wonderful public library system and I live close to a huge university where I can borrow stuff. And if I do want something far out there that the public system doesn't have, you can buy a copy for them, then borrow it. But you can't buy a copy then give it to them, they just sell it to raise funds.

If I ain't touching a text within a year, I have no need to have it. And if it doesn't contain massive amounts of helpful marginalia, I also don't need it.
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« Reply #9105 on: March 17, 2011, 10:49:10 PM »

I admire your restraint when it comes to books!  Shocked Less than 50! I am trying to eliminate the books that I don't absolutely love, and I have a lot of books from my charismatic days that are going to go (frankly, the only one that appeals to me anymore is Oswald Chambers' My Utmost for His Highest).

I have battled these tendencies for years. While I truthfully can't even approach the collections of clothes and makeup that teenage girls amass today, I still think I have too much and I'm trying to whittle it down. I just gave practically an entire closet of clothes away...they no longer fit but I was hoping that they would someday (wishful thinking!).

It's a lifelong journey, I guess! I just house-sat this weekend for friends of mine and I was shocked by how much they own. That and Hoarders makes me start going through my things again! (Ugh, Hoarders. So exploitative.)
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« Reply #9107 on: March 23, 2011, 12:12:58 PM »

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« Reply #9108 on: March 24, 2011, 07:48:51 PM »

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« Reply #9110 on: March 25, 2011, 06:32:46 PM »

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« Reply #9111 on: March 25, 2011, 06:38:04 PM »

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« Reply #9112 on: March 25, 2011, 06:57:03 PM »

So cute!!

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« Reply #9113 on: March 25, 2011, 07:09:39 PM »

Can you believe that my friend, who is training to be a vet, showed me the video last week? She said something about how its an example of animal behavior...that the dog is naturally submissive and the man took his behavior to mean that the dog went into the kitty treats. She swears that it was the first dog!

Is everyone watching it or something?!  Cheesy
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Can you believe that my friend, who is training to be a vet, showed me the video last week? She said something about how its an example of animal behavior...that the dog is naturally submissive and the man took his behavior to mean that the dog went into the kitty treats. She swears that it was the first dog!

Is everyone watching it or something?!  Cheesy
As a cat owner, let me assure you, it was the cat!
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« Reply #9116 on: March 26, 2011, 12:16:13 PM »

LOL, bad kitty!

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« Reply #9117 on: March 28, 2011, 12:01:39 AM »

Do you ever sneeze so hard that you can see little flashing bursts of light with your eyes? Groovy!
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Do you ever sneeze so hard that you can see little flashing bursts of light with your eyes? Groovy!

whoa...lay off the good stuff, man!  Cheesy
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« Reply #9119 on: March 28, 2011, 03:44:54 AM »

Ok, I missed this Sunday, I heard it was the procession of the Cross. Can anyone tell me what I missed?
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Ok, I missed this Sunday, I heard it was the procession of the Cross. Can anyone tell me what I missed?
Um, you missed me having no idea what to do. (Seriously, I think the people at the board here would have chuckled when they saw me panic and briefly consider running the exit! Oh, the Orthodox faux-pas I commit!  Roll Eyes I'm pretty sure that my priest wanted to laugh at the expression on my face.)

Today is one of those days where I feel like I'm going to get fired at work. I had a really tough assignment with a lot of difficult terminology, and I had to hand it in half-done (I have another word for that that I can't post here  Grin) because we're on a deadline. I do have editors but boy, do they whine when they get work like this.

I just want to hide from my phone and e-mail all afternoon...except I have more work to do.

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« Reply #9121 on: March 28, 2011, 01:08:45 PM »

Ok, I missed this Sunday, I heard it was the procession of the Cross. Can anyone tell me what I missed?

More prostrations. 
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« Reply #9122 on: March 28, 2011, 04:52:06 PM »

Ok, I missed this Sunday, I heard it was the procession of the Cross. Can anyone tell me what I missed?

More prostrations. 

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« Reply #9123 on: March 28, 2011, 04:53:37 PM »

Do you ever sneeze so hard that you can see little flashing bursts of light with your eyes? Groovy!

whoa...lay off the good stuff, man!  Cheesy

What, does that just happen to me?  angel Cheesy
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« Reply #9124 on: March 28, 2011, 04:54:45 PM »

Ok, I missed this Sunday, I heard it was the procession of the Cross. Can anyone tell me what I missed?
Um, you missed me having no idea what to do. (Seriously, I think the people at the board here would have chuckled when they saw me panic and briefly consider running the exit! Oh, the Orthodox faux-pas I commit!  Roll Eyes I'm pretty sure that my priest wanted to laugh at the expression on my face.)

Today is one of those days where I feel like I'm going to get fired at work. I had a really tough assignment with a lot of difficult terminology, and I had to hand it in half-done (I have another word for that that I can't post here  Grin) because we're on a deadline. I do have editors but boy, do they whine when they get work like this.

I just want to hide from my phone and e-mail all afternoon...except I have more work to do.



lol! Don't worry sister, I have commited my fair share of orthodox 'faux pas' myself, and then some. Would you like to divulge, perhaps, so the rest of us learners don't make the same mistake? If not, that's ok too Smiley
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Do you ever sneeze so hard that you can see little flashing bursts of light with your eyes? Groovy!

whoa...lay off the good stuff, man!  Cheesy

What, does that just happen to me?  angel Cheesy

i dunno bro, but that sounds really trippy!  Grin
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lol! Don't worry sister, I have commited my fair share of orthodox 'faux pas' myself, and then some. Would you like to divulge, perhaps, so the rest of us learners don't make the same mistake? If not, that's ok too Smiley
No problem! (Maybe this will get me over the hurdle of having to talk to the priest about it when I next see him!  Cheesy)

They had the procession, which...I've been a Catholic, so crossing myself while the cross and incense is coming by was pretty easy peasy.

I don't know how it differs with the churches...but at the one I attend, they distribute the antidoron at the very end of services. I read in some places that members will give you the bread, but I go up to receive. It's never been an issue. From where I was standing, I saw the priest distributing flowers that were at the foot of the cross, and I thought, "Okay, so I'll just pick up a flower and get the bread."

5 people were in front of me, and I realized that he was saying something to them, holding up the cross, and they were kissing it. I froze and I immediately got the deer in headlights look. I had a series of very inappropriate thoughts going on in my mind, and I swear that one of the voices was yelling "RUN!!!!"  Grin

I don't have an issue with venerating the cross or even kissing it (and I can only bring myself to kiss the icons in my home at this point) so I wasn't concerned about that. However, much like my nightmares of accidentally going up to communion, I didn't want to venerate the cross if it wasn't appropriate for me to do so as a non-Orthodox.

The moment went by really fast, but I swear he saw the panicked look in my eyes. I think he just told me the standard antidoron blessing and handed me a flower. I just bowed in front of the cross and made the sign of the cross before going to get the bread. I had no idea what to do. I think whoever was holding the cross had kind of pulled it back (I don't even remember who was at this point) so I wasn't about to lean forward and kiss the cross if it looked like they recognized that I didn't know what to do.

I was whining about it on the entire ride home, and my husband said, "Oh, we are going to make many more mistakes, and you know it."

I do!
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lol! Don't worry sister, I have commited my fair share of orthodox 'faux pas' myself, and then some. Would you like to divulge, perhaps, so the rest of us learners don't make the same mistake? If not, that's ok too Smiley
No problem! (Maybe this will get me over the hurdle of having to talk to the priest about it when I next see him!  Cheesy)

They had the procession, which...I've been a Catholic, so crossing myself while the cross and incense is coming by was pretty easy peasy.

I don't know how it differs with the churches...but at the one I attend, they distribute the antidoron at the very end of services. I read in some places that members will give you the bread, but I go up to receive. It's never been an issue. From where I was standing, I saw the priest distributing flowers that were at the foot of the cross, and I thought, "Okay, so I'll just pick up a flower and get the bread."

5 people were in front of me, and I realized that he was saying something to them, holding up the cross, and they were kissing it. I froze and I immediately got the deer in headlights look. I had a series of very inappropriate thoughts going on in my mind, and I swear that one of the voices was yelling "RUN!!!!"  Grin

I don't have an issue with venerating the cross or even kissing it (and I can only bring myself to kiss the icons in my home at this point) so I wasn't concerned about that. However, much like my nightmares of accidentally going up to communion, I didn't want to venerate the cross if it wasn't appropriate for me to do so as a non-Orthodox.

The moment went by really fast, but I swear he saw the panicked look in my eyes. I think he just told me the standard antidoron blessing and handed me a flower. I just bowed in front of the cross and made the sign of the cross before going to get the bread. I had no idea what to do. I think whoever was holding the cross had kind of pulled it back (I don't even remember who was at this point) so I wasn't about to lean forward and kiss the cross if it looked like they recognized that I didn't know what to do.

I was whining about it on the entire ride home, and my husband said, "Oh, we are going to make many more mistakes, and you know it."

I do!

Ah, hey that's not so bad! I think you're giving yourself a hard time over nothing...I have a habit of doing the same Wink FWIW, in our parish, the catechumens are entirely welcome to participate in the venerating portions of the service, for example, when everyone goes up to venerate the hand cross after liturgy.
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For some reason I feel like arguing with someone...maybe Catholics, maybe Protestants, maybe no one in particular...I think the purple demons are on my trail!  Sad
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For some reason I feel like arguing with someone...maybe Catholics, maybe Protestants, maybe no one in particular...I think the purple demons are on my trail!  Sad

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For some reason I feel like arguing with someone...maybe Catholics, maybe Protestants, maybe no one in particular...I think the purple demons are on my trail!  Sad
Do you have a dog at home who has been especially chatty?  Wink

No seriously, try not to pick a fight. Take a deep breath. When I have that feeling, I just try to read more about my faith, something I hadn't studied before. Then I feel inadequate about wanting to pick a fight based on the tenets of my faith!
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For some reason I feel like arguing with someone...maybe Catholics, maybe Protestants, maybe no one in particular...I think the purple demons are on my trail!  Sad

No they're not.

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For some reason I feel like arguing with someone...maybe Catholics, maybe Protestants, maybe no one in particular...I think the purple demons are on my trail!  Sad
Do you have a dog at home who has been especially chatty?  Wink

No seriously, try not to pick a fight. Take a deep breath. When I have that feeling, I just try to read more about my faith, something I hadn't studied before. Then I feel inadequate about wanting to pick a fight based on the tenets of my faith!

Thanks for the advice, Ismi  Smiley
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« Reply #9133 on: March 30, 2011, 01:29:19 AM »

Is it bad to do stations of the cross with a Catholic friend, or at least go with him and see how they do it?

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