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« Reply #675 on: February 15, 2006, 01:33:36 PM »

This actually gets to the crux of the question: is "subliminal drinking" actually drinking, or does it make one think that they're drinking, but really they aren't? 

There is no substitute for ACTUAL drinking.  The hypostasis of inubrietness is only contrived through actual synkatabasis of the alcohol itself, which comes forth from the Great Distiller.  I say in accordance with this theological understanding, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE and that "subliminal drinking" should be declared ANATHEMA!!

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« Reply #676 on: February 15, 2006, 01:37:11 PM »

I find the longevity of this thread amazing.  Little did I know when I started it....
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« Reply #677 on: February 15, 2006, 03:13:55 PM »

I find the longevity of this thread amazing.  Little did I know when I started it....

... that it would become the longest thread in OC.net history?  ... that it would continue to have no real point?  ... that it would speak so highly about the alchoholic beverages?  ... ad nauseam?
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« Reply #678 on: February 15, 2006, 03:18:49 PM »

This actually gets to the crux of the question: is "subliminal drinking" actually drinking, or does it make one think that they're drinking, but really they aren't?  If it is the latter, then it obviously is evil and deserves anathema.  If it is the former, it calls into question whether or not we value the actual conscious act of imbibing, or whether the effect of imbibing is primary.  I am inclined to say the former.

Perhaps more to the point, can I get the same effects from this so-called 'subliminal drinking' as I can from real drinking? If so, how are the hangovers? If not, I declae with the synod, ANATHEMA!

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There can be no doubt that fake beer is Anathema, and the consumers of which will be cast by the Great Distiller into the pit of everlasting sobriety along with the drinkers of water and other non-alcoholic drinks.
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« Reply #679 on: February 15, 2006, 03:30:53 PM »

Perhaps more to the point, can I get the same effects from this so-called 'subliminal drinking' as I can from real drinking? If so, how are the hangovers? If not, I declae with the synod, ANATHEMA!   

Here is what I was wondering; let's say, for a moment, that subliminal drinking is an act that somehow, unbeknownst to the recipient, puts alchohol into them.  If this is the case, then a) they will not be able to taste it initially, since that would break the whole "subliminal" part, and b) they would get all the effects - buzz, hangover - as normal, because by then the alchohol is in the system.  If this is what subliminal drinking truly is, then the problems lie in the fact that one does not taste what they are drinking, and one does not experience the "drinking act."

If, say, one were able to taste what is being fed to them by subliminal drinking, I would still make a point that the fact that they are not actively taking part in the drinking process - the camaraderie, the act of raising the glass, controlling the flow, etc - is problematic, and lends itself to making this an act that does not promote the core values which we hold so dear: "With liberty and fraternity for all.  Amen." as Animal House so well puts it.  It eliminates the fraternity of the drinking acts, which begins to destroy the very fibers of our way of life.
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« Reply #680 on: February 15, 2006, 05:29:04 PM »

AXIOS!!!  (to all)

I agree to the extent that the drinking act must be EXPERIENCED, instead of subliminaly put into our head and body as inubriedness.  (we must accept the HS, and etc)
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« Reply #681 on: February 15, 2006, 05:41:26 PM »

I agree wholeheartedly with +SERB1389's cry of ACCIDENT for the Holy Synod, and I believe that we should decide together on the following issues (point-by-point, to make it easier):

1. Do we define subliminal drinking as the act of receiving alchohol into the system without cognitive recognition of the fact by the recipient, thus bypassing voluntary control of the drinking act, the sensations of taste, but instead resulting only in the after-effects of the drinking act, i.e. the effects of alchohol on the body?

2. Do we uphold the "drinking act" - the physical raising of the cup, acknowledgement of one's company, the occasional toast, and the physical bringing of the cup to mouth to imbibe, with the effects of tasting the beer and increasing camaraderie - as being integral to the drinking experience?

3. If we agree upon two, then do we anathematize all acts which bypass the "drinking act" as being against the very fiber of our standard of morality?
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« Reply #682 on: February 15, 2006, 07:31:53 PM »

I agree with points 1 and 2, but especially 2!!!!  I'll drink to that! 

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« Reply #683 on: February 15, 2006, 07:35:17 PM »

I actually agree with all three (of course, I wrote them).

So far, for each point:

1. agree: +GEORGE, +SERB1389;

2. agree: +GEORGE, +SERB1389;

3. agree (anathema): +GEORGE;

Let's see what others have to say on the matter!

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« Reply #684 on: February 15, 2006, 07:43:24 PM »

Let's not act so hastily on matters of which we know so little. Let us, as a precautionary measure, ban subliminal drinking until such time as one can appear before the Synod, and present unto us this act of subliminal drinking, so that we may better understand it. And only then, once familiar with its workings, should we rule ultimately whether to accept subliminal drinkers into our fold, or to banish them to the pit of eternal sobriety, where the Great Distiller shall walk never more.
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« Reply #685 on: February 15, 2006, 07:49:08 PM »

I wonder though, maybe we should ask for a formal description of subliminal drinking from said practisioner before they demonstrate before us; I would hate for one of our company to be under some demonic or sobriac incantation before we knew what was going on!
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« Reply #686 on: February 15, 2006, 07:51:36 PM »

I'm much more of a Cyril of Alexandria guy myself.  Take them out while they're not here...haha. 

No seriously though, I bow to the wisdom of the Ecumenical throne.  GiC is right, we should wait until someone can defend themeselves....you ecumenical sell-outs.  haha. 

And I'm all for the Anathema!  (just so you know +George)
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« Reply #687 on: February 15, 2006, 07:54:07 PM »

Hmmm, perhaps an example would be in order. But as long as alcohol is involved in the subliminal drinking process, I do not see how sobriety could come of it. Though perhaps as a percaution we should observe the demonstration while drinking, so that by that sacramental act we could be protected and preserved from the evils of sobriety, temprance, and prohibition; if indeed those are the intent of the practitioners of subliminal drinking.
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« Reply #688 on: February 15, 2006, 07:56:42 PM »

I don't think any alcohol is involved in the process.  How can something that is substantial be considered "subliminal" it is clearly a contradiction in terms.  Therefore, one is led to believe that the subliminal drinking is something other than the true consumption of true alcohol, yet produces the same side-effects.  This is my understanding...
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« Reply #689 on: February 15, 2006, 08:01:06 PM »

The effects of Alcohol without Alcohol? Isn't that called insanity?

If indeed it is more than that, we await a description followed by a demonstration of this strange occurrence.
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« Reply #690 on: February 15, 2006, 08:15:39 PM »

Here's what I understand it to be: The person, is fully aware of the the alcochol, and the consumption of it, it has all the same effects, but... they are only aware of it during the fact, but somehow are caused to forget that they did, and it becomes a mere dream, thus makinging them feel the need for more alchol, which how can that be a bad thing?  Grin
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« Reply #691 on: February 15, 2006, 08:19:50 PM »

I don't know if I would agree with forgetting the experience immediately after it happens; and I need no help in craving more....
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« Reply #692 on: February 15, 2006, 08:22:18 PM »

It's not so much forgetting it as it is questioning the reality of it...
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« Reply #693 on: February 15, 2006, 08:24:18 PM »

as in One minute you have a full Pint, and the other minute your Pint is empty?
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« Reply #694 on: February 15, 2006, 08:25:51 PM »

as in One minute you have a full Pint, and the other minute your Pint is empty?

Something like that  Grin
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« Reply #695 on: February 15, 2006, 08:29:30 PM »

But I think there is something to be said for enjoying the experience of having the pint, of consciously partaking of it... I don't think I would like the experience of one minute full, next empty.  I would definitely need to see this demonstrated before deciding (although I am leaning towards rejection of the concept).
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« Reply #696 on: February 15, 2006, 09:10:56 PM »

as in One minute you have a full Pint, and the other minute your Pint is empty?

Without the experience of drinking it? Hmmmm, sounds like hell.
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« Reply #697 on: February 15, 2006, 09:17:27 PM »

Without the experience of drinking it? Hmmmm, sounds like hell.

I think you are all missing the fact that you do indeed experience it.  Tongue
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« Reply #698 on: February 15, 2006, 09:21:37 PM »

I think you are all missing the fact that you do indeed experience it.  Tongue

I think the synod needs a demonstration, this does seem to be quite a break from the traditional methods for the consuming of alcohol. I fear I need to see and experience this subliminal drinking before releasing it on unsuspecting alcoholics everywhere. Until such time I present to the Synod for voting a moratorium on subliminal drinking.
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« Reply #699 on: February 15, 2006, 09:26:02 PM »

I think you are all missing the fact that you do indeed experience it.  Tongue

What are you experiencing?  The idea as posed before was that, one second the pint is full, next it is empty; this makes it sound as though one does not get to relish the taste of the beer, since one did not notice that they had drank it!
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« Reply #700 on: February 15, 2006, 09:27:09 PM »

I think the synod needs a demonstration, this does seem to be quite a break from the traditional methods for the consuming of alcohol. I fear I need to see and experience this subliminal drinking before releasing it on unsuspecting alcoholics everywhere. Until such time I present to the Synod for voting a moratorium on subliminal drinking. 

I vote in the affirmative for a moratorium on subliminal drinking until such time as a demonstration can be set up with at least a majority of the synod present.
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« Reply #701 on: February 15, 2006, 09:35:00 PM »

What are you experiencing?  The idea as posed before was that, one second the pint is full, next it is empty; this makes it sound as though one does not get to relish the taste of the beer, since one did not notice that they had drank it!

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« Reply #702 on: February 15, 2006, 09:37:40 PM »

So you're really saying that subliminal drinking involves induced memory loss; in the moment, one experiences the taste, etc; but in the next moment, the whole thing is as if it were a dream, and the only way they'll know it wasn't is by the physiological response to the alchohol...
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« Reply #703 on: February 15, 2006, 09:43:43 PM »

So you're really saying that subliminal drinking involves induced memory loss; in the moment, one experiences the taste, etc; but in the next moment, the whole thing is as if it were a dream, and the only way they'll know it wasn't is by the physiological response to the alchohol...

I'm not sure if that it exactly it, but I guess... The way I see it, you doubt that you partook of the alcoholic gifts, and thus doubt your salvation, and thus keep drinking, benefitting your salvation without knowing it...
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« Reply #704 on: February 15, 2006, 09:52:25 PM »

I'm not sure if that it exactly it, but I guess... The way I see it, you doubt that you partook of the alcoholic gifts, and thus doubt your salvation, and thus keep drinking, benefitting your salvation without knowing it...

No doubt sliding in your cheapest alcohol, and violating the canons on hospitality in the process?
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« Reply #705 on: February 15, 2006, 09:54:34 PM »

No doubt sliding in your cheapest alcohol, and violating the canons on hospitality in the process?

Not at all. Remember, they will be fully conscious of the partaking, at the time of their partaking, so they would only settle for the good stuff.
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« Reply #706 on: February 15, 2006, 09:59:33 PM »

Hmmm.... So in the end, there is no concrete memory of the partaking act... see, that's something that I don't think I like about the concept....
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« Reply #707 on: February 15, 2006, 10:21:38 PM »

Why would I want to not remember my drinking? Plus, alcohol can do that all by itself, without the benifit of subliminal drinking.
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« Reply #708 on: February 15, 2006, 10:24:53 PM »

Yes, I figure the only way that memory of the drinking act should be erased is if someone were to imbibe enough alchohol to cause that.  Now I, for one, prefer to remember the evening's activities... so it does not sound like subliminal drinking would work for me....
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« Reply #709 on: February 15, 2006, 10:28:03 PM »

I dont mind forgetting every once in a while, but as I said before I dont need subliminal drinking for that.
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« Reply #710 on: February 15, 2006, 10:31:26 PM »

Oh, I'm sure there are a few nights that you wish you'd forget but haven't.... I seem to remember Male Bonding Day 1 as having some interesting effects on people later in the  day....
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« Reply #711 on: February 15, 2006, 10:37:53 PM »

Oh, I'm sure there are a few nights that you wish you'd forget but haven't.... I seem to remember Male Bonding Day 1 as having some interesting effects on people later in the  day....

Actually, I believe that was clean monday. Wink
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« Reply #712 on: February 15, 2006, 10:38:17 PM »

Which I dont remember all that well, but I remember enough of it.
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« Reply #713 on: February 15, 2006, 11:03:02 PM »

Actually, I believe that was clean monday. Wink

Clean monday, or bright monday?  I don't think we had any kegs on clean monday!
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« Reply #714 on: February 15, 2006, 11:03:31 PM »

Which I dont remember all that well, but I remember enough of it.

See, we don't need any "subliminal drinking" to get the effects thereof, now do we?
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« Reply #715 on: February 16, 2006, 01:52:33 AM »

the whole thing sounds like a bunch of hogwash!
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« Reply #716 on: February 16, 2006, 05:44:34 AM »

I don't see how losing memory of one's drinking experience has any parallels with water used to clean pigs and/or pigpens.... maybe it's a serbian thing?
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« Reply #717 on: February 16, 2006, 02:20:47 PM »

Clean monday, or bright monday?  I don't think we had any kegs on clean monday!

Yes, bright monday, my bad...but a repeat this clean monday might be nice...oh the scandal!!!  Shocked
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« Reply #718 on: February 16, 2006, 02:50:41 PM »

Yes, bright monday, my bad...but a repeat this clean monday might be nice...oh the scandal!!!  Shocked

And we could do a steak beating/roast (beating for the very rare, cooking for the rare or medium rare)... a nice keg...
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« Reply #719 on: February 16, 2006, 03:02:32 PM »

And we could do a steak beating/roast (beating for the very rare, cooking for the rare or medium rare)... a nice keg...

I'm game, sounds like a great way to start off lent, beer and raw meat (though I do like the very outside of my meat seared to hold in the juces, but the middle best be raw)...heck, that's a good way to spend a day any time of the year. Wink
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