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« Reply #4770 on: November 17, 2008, 12:31:04 PM »

That's the problem.  They didn't get an equitable chance to begin with, so how can you reward them with one more of what they never had:  possession of the ball with the chance to score?

Think of the ancient duel as the analogy - the guy who gets shot usually doesn't get another chance to fire back at the shooter.

Of course ties were more common before OT.  After OT was implemented, teams would play as many OT's as were needed to finally crown a winner, thus rendering ties virtually impossible.  I think the NCAA Div. I-A record for most overtimes is seven.

Ask the NFL Players Union if they want to play in 7 untimed OT's and 5 hour games like College.

Then how do you explain NCAA Division II & III games going to overtime, as well?  They actually use playoffs to determine their national champs.

An equitable OT is OK on the college level.  Sudden death OT in college could result in fan riots.   Wink
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« Reply #4771 on: November 17, 2008, 01:01:42 PM »

The NFL also had its first ever 11-10 game in 12,837 NFL Games between the Steelers and Chargers.

The 5,000 post total for this thread is approaching....   Wink
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« Reply #4772 on: November 17, 2008, 01:04:11 PM »

The San Diego Chargers are 0-13 in Pittsburgh showing the weakness of a West Coast team playing in a snowy part of the Country.
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« Reply #4773 on: November 17, 2008, 03:29:36 PM »

That's the problem.  They didn't get an equitable chance to begin with, so how can you reward them with one more of what they never had:  possession of the ball with the chance to score?

Think of the ancient duel as the analogy - the guy who gets shot usually doesn't get another chance to fire back at the shooter.
But the goal of a football team--I HOPE Shocked--is NOT to kill their opponent.

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Of course ties were more common before OT.  After OT was implemented, teams would play as many OT's as were needed to finally crown a winner, thus rendering ties virtually impossible.  I think the NCAA Div. I-A record for most overtimes is seven.

Ask the NFL Players Union if they want to play in 7 untimed OT's and 5 hour games like College.
Ask the college players who actually played those games if THEY wanted to play in 7 untimed OT's stretching the game to 5 hours!

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An equitable OT is OK on the college level.  Sudden death OT in college could result in fan riots.   Wink
Then why is it not OK for the Pros?
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« Reply #4774 on: November 17, 2008, 04:48:28 PM »

Think of the NFL as the modern day incarnation of gladiatorial combat.

One combatant struck a mortal blow to the other combatant.  Did the other combatant usually have an equitable chance to strike back before death or disability?

Same thing exists in NFL.  If one team scores first in sudden death, that is equivalent to striking the fatal blow which renders the other team unable to come back.

College Football is more dependent on TV Revenue than the NFL.  Long games are in the best interests of college football.  The College Players don't seem to mind even though they receive nothing besides an athletic scholarship.  Meanwhile, NFL Players make a lot of money and can accept the rules of sudden death football.

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« Reply #4775 on: November 17, 2008, 05:16:59 PM »

Think of the NFL as the modern day incarnation of gladiatorial combat.

One combatant struck a mortal blow to the other combatant.  Did the other combatant usually have an equitable chance to strike back before death or disability?

Same thing exists in NFL.  If one team scores first in sudden death, that is equivalent to striking the fatal blow which renders the other team unable to come back.

College Football is more dependent on TV Revenue than the NFL.  Long games are in the best interests of college football.  The College Players don't seem to mind even though they receive nothing besides an athletic scholarship.  Meanwhile, NFL Players make a lot of money and can accept the rules of sudden death football.


I'd like to see them trough a few tigers in the arena after the game. I wonder what that would do to the salary cap?
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« Reply #4776 on: November 17, 2008, 07:13:04 PM »

Australian Rules Football is real football...
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« Reply #4777 on: November 18, 2008, 01:02:03 AM »

Australian Rules Football is real football...
Is that the same thing as Rugby?  Talk about a violent sport! Shocked
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« Reply #4778 on: November 18, 2008, 02:11:47 AM »

Australian Rules Football is real football...
Is that the same thing as Rugby?  Talk about a violent sport! Shocked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiGoqObb0YQ&feature=related

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« Reply #4779 on: November 19, 2008, 03:08:21 AM »

I was nearly beat up during an indoor floor hockey game by some law student many, many years ago.  My teammate almost started a fight with the law student because the law student had me pinned into a corner.  I was OK.
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« Reply #4780 on: November 19, 2008, 04:32:19 AM »

Think of the NFL as the modern day incarnation of gladiatorial combat.
Think of the first possession of an NFL sudden death overtime as gladiatorial combat in which only one of the combatants has a sword and the other is trying to take it away before he gets killed.  To really be fair, you need to give BOTH combatants swords.
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« Reply #4781 on: November 19, 2008, 08:36:45 AM »

Think of the first possession of an NFL sudden death overtime as gladiatorial combat in which only one of the combatants has a sword and the other is trying to take it away before he gets killed.  To really be fair, you need to give BOTH combatants swords.

Wha?  For many teams their defense is the sword, and not their offense.  That's why the analogy is imperfect - teams like Baltimore have no problem if the other team wins the toss (unless that team is the New York Giants, that is), because they're confident enough in their top-3 defense to make a stop, or even convert a turnover into excellent field position.

That's the dynamic of NFL football; one can't blame the system for not getting an offensive touch in an Overtime - you had plenty of chances in regulation, and your defense had a chance to get a stop in the OT.  In the NFL, the only way to consistently win is to have a defense that can consistently stop the other team's offense when the need arises.
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« Reply #4782 on: November 19, 2008, 12:11:22 PM »

Football is comprehensible?  Are you sure?
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« Reply #4783 on: November 19, 2008, 12:15:35 PM »

Football is comprehensible?  Are you sure?

Of course it is!  If guys were able to get equivalent class hours for the amount of time they spend reading articles & watching games (and managing fantasy teams), they could easily get a minor in football. 
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« Reply #4784 on: November 19, 2008, 12:48:26 PM »

Football is comprehensible?  Are you sure?

Of course it is!  If guys were able to get equivalent class hours for the amount of time they spend reading articles & watching games (and managing fantasy teams), they could easily get a minor in football. 

True enough.  Might even beat an English major for getting a (sort of) real job in the end.  Wink
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« Reply #4785 on: November 19, 2008, 01:40:33 PM »

Think of the first possession of an NFL sudden death overtime as gladiatorial combat in which only one of the combatants has a sword and the other is trying to take it away before he gets killed.  To really be fair, you need to give BOTH combatants swords.

Both combatants already have swords - offense and defense.

If offense scores first, striking the fatal blow, game over because the defense failed to stop the offense from scoring.  Quite a simple and elegant doctrine.   laugh
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« Reply #4786 on: November 19, 2008, 01:42:43 PM »

True enough.  Might even beat an English major for getting a (sort of) real job in the end.  Wink

Nah - there aren't enough openings in the world to accommodate all the football junkies in the US, and there are far too many people who don't speak the language well.
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« Reply #4787 on: November 19, 2008, 01:50:27 PM »

True enough.  Might even beat an English major for getting a (sort of) real job in the end.  Wink

Nah - there aren't enough openings in the world to accommodate all the football junkies in the US, and there are far too many people who don't speak the language well.

They'll both fit in at McD's.  Wink
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« Reply #4788 on: November 19, 2008, 01:55:55 PM »

Eagles' QB Donovan McNabb didn't know that there can be tie games in the NFL.
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« Reply #4789 on: November 19, 2008, 02:11:43 PM »

Eagles' QB Donovan McNabb didn't know that there can be tie games in the NFL.

Yah I just watched his interview on SportsCenter....oh buddy...
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« Reply #4790 on: November 19, 2008, 02:26:54 PM »

They'll both fit in at McD's.  Wink

Would you like fries with that?

Eagles' QB Donovan McNabb didn't know that there can be tie games in the NFL.

There are a lot of players who don't keep up with rule changes; a good number of them thought that the tie rule had been changed in the last 4-5 years.
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« Reply #4791 on: November 19, 2008, 05:13:52 PM »

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No.  It's breakfast time.  I wanna 2 egg Mc Muffins.  No cheese.


Personally, I watch Pancrase and Aussie Rules F-ball because of the potential for broken bones.  Just like hockey, I expect that it's not just the display of skill that one looks at when watching the black poece of coal or shiny red egg pounded around, but the spectacular fights that people get into.  It's fantastic.  I wonder, though, if the players have a good dental plan.  Or if they bother with solid food at all after the game.  Maybe they just bite through the steak with their gums.  Now, that's a REAL sportsman.

Friggin' Kobe and his manacures. 
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« Reply #4792 on: November 19, 2008, 05:21:18 PM »

No.  It's breakfast time.  I wanna 2 egg Mc Muffins.  No cheese.

No cheese?  What do you think this is, Burger King?  Your way, right away?  NO MCMUFFIN FOR YOU.

Friggin' Kobe and his manacures.  

I never knew that about him.... I think it's "manicures," btw...
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 I pays da money, I gets da macmurfin.  No chee!!!

 
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Yep.  It's kind of a running tradition.  Dr. J used to do it, and so dis Mike.  So I guess ol' Korn-on-the-Kobe is just following suit, seeing as he can afford as many man-o-cures as he can handle.
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« Reply #4794 on: November 19, 2008, 05:37:46 PM »

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Yep.  It's kind of a running tradition.  Dr. J used to do it, and so dis Mike.  So I guess ol' Korn-on-the-Kobe is just following suit, seeing as he can afford as many man-o-cures as he can handle.

Well, if it helps his "shooter's touch..."  Wait, what am I saying?  He's on the beginning of his personal down-slope.  He'll need more than fancily-cut nails to save his game.
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« Reply #4795 on: November 19, 2008, 05:44:31 PM »

Hey, did you know that they're getting a basketball league together in Europe, based in Italy, financed by some big old money, and that they have already asked Kobe and some of our biggest stars to play overseas for 65 Mil a yeat and up!  There apparently is no salary cap in the league.  We may be seeing our brst going to Europe to play. 

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« Reply #4796 on: November 19, 2008, 05:54:40 PM »

I don't know if the non-cap salary will be enough to counter the promotional deals and ad $ that would be unavailable to them if they went to Europe.
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« Reply #4797 on: November 19, 2008, 06:03:56 PM »

True, but then again, it could be of some benefit.  I mean, we may have won Gold in the Olympics, but that was because we sent in our NBA hit squad to do the job.  We used to send our college kids.  They sued to clean house.  Now Europe is exporting talent, and even our pros didnt sweep the floor with anyone this time around.  I think personally, it would be a good thing, because it can lead to stronger players in the long run.  Here, you may run into 4-8 Luthuanian, Serbian, Greek, and German(?) players that can clean up in the NBA.  There, you've got droves.  The more esposure the game gets, the better the players get becuse the fiercer the competition grows.

   
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« Reply #4798 on: November 19, 2008, 07:22:42 PM »

I'm all for the competition; but I still think that the US NBA will be the premiere league, and the choice destination for the top-level talent.
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« Reply #4799 on: November 19, 2008, 07:39:41 PM »

Kobe needs to play in Rome or Athens to recharge his batteries for he has had enough of Zen Master Phil Jackson telling him what do to....
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« Reply #4800 on: November 20, 2008, 01:57:03 AM »

True, but then again, it could be of some benefit.  I mean, we may have won Gold in the Olympics, but that was because we sent in our NBA hit squad to do the job.

In 2008, Coach K. was in charge of the grown men who were still seething from the pick and rolls set by the Greeks in 2004.  The US Basketball Players were likely distracted by ... Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Russians, Moldavians, Filipinas, Iraqis and I'm not referring to the female athletes in the Olympic Village.   Wink 
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« Reply #4801 on: November 20, 2008, 02:16:06 AM »

True, but then again, it could be of some benefit.  I mean, we may have won Gold in the Olympics, but that was because we sent in our NBA hit squad to do the job.

In 2008, Coach K. was in charge of the grown men who were still seething from the pick and rolls set by the Greeks in 2004.  The US Basketball Players were likely distracted by ... Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Russians, Moldavians, Filipinas, Iraqis and I'm not referring to the female athletes in the Olympic Village.   Wink 
Well, I'm happy that Spanish guard who tore up our defense in the Gold Medal game, Rudy Fernandez, is now playing for my hometown NBA team, the Portland Trail Blazers.  The Blazers, second youngest in the league for average player age, continue to take their knocks at the hands of the wizened, more experienced teams, but their talent makes them a team to be feared in a couple of years.  Brandon Roy nailing clutch shots, LaMarcus Aldridge and his smooth post play, Greg Oden blocking shots and rattling backboards, Rudy making eyes and cameras pop, ... Shocked  WOW! Grin
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« Reply #4802 on: November 20, 2008, 02:41:27 AM »

^ Sounds good as long as Greg Oden can stay healthy.   Wink

I was a Blazer fan in the 1990's, Porter and Drexler.  I enjoyed watching Rasheed Wallace getting ejected although I felt sorry for him at the same time.

Nothing can take me away from my New York Knicks even though they've stunk for at least a decade.   Grin
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« Reply #4803 on: November 21, 2008, 01:16:53 AM »

I see that Mike Mussina has announced his retirement after 18 years as a Big League pitcher.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/21/sports/baseball/21yankees.html?em

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« Reply #4804 on: November 21, 2008, 01:21:16 AM »

^Yes indeed.   Smiley
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« Reply #4805 on: November 21, 2008, 01:23:16 AM »

I enjoyed watching Rasheed Wallace getting ejected although I felt sorry for him at the same time.
Yep.  Back when the Portland NBA team was unaffectionately known as the Jail Blazers.  Two straight years that Sheed shattered the record for single season technical fouls.  Of course, the second year he broke the record, it was HIS OWN he broke.  You can say he didn't like the refs, and the refs didn't like him.  (Threatening a game official in the stadium parking lot AFTER a game?  Yup.)  It doesn't bother me at all that he found a home and started to play much better in Detroit; in fact, I'm happy for him.  His presence on the Blazers was a major distraction, and he needed to go, regardless of how good a player he was.
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« Reply #4806 on: November 21, 2008, 01:24:05 AM »

^Yes indeed.   Smiley
Didn't Moose once pitch for your team?  (The Orioles, right?)
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« Reply #4807 on: November 21, 2008, 01:29:04 AM »

^Yes indeed.   Smiley
Didn't Moose once pitch for your team?  (The Orioles, right?)

See previous answer, Yes indeed to both.   Wink  Moose found a better home with the Yankees after the O's wouldn't go beyond $60 Million on a 5 year contract in 2001.  Note, Moose has a degree in Economics from Stanford.

Some on talk radio argued that Moose wasn't dominant enough.  The man was beaned 3 times in the face during his career and I had the misfortune of listening to 2 of those games on the radio.  After the first beaning, Moose was a little more apprehensive which some would characterize as not imposing his will; However, 270 wins is 2 more than Jim Palmer who is in the Hall of Fame.
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« Reply #4808 on: November 21, 2008, 01:55:26 AM »

The man was beaned 3 times in the face during his career and I had the misfortune of listening to 2 of those games on the radio.
Three line drives off his face in his career!? Shocked  OUCH!!!  Must really suck to have been him on days like those!
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« Reply #4809 on: November 21, 2008, 02:05:04 AM »

Moose spent 3 weeks on the DL for one beaning:  Source.  Plus, Moose had some near no-hitters and perfect games especially against the Detroit Tigers when they were atrocious.

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Equally frustrating were Mussina’s string of near no-hitters. On May 30, 1997 he retired the first 25 Cleveland Indians before catcher Sandy Alomar, Jr. lined a single to left field with one out in the ninth, denying him what would have been the first perfect game in franchise history. (The following May, Alomar would drill a single that hit just below Mussina’s right eye, bloodying his face, fracturing his nose and sending him to the DL for three weeks.) After fanning the last two hitters, Mussina settled for a one-hit, 10-strikeout shutout. Less than a month later he tossed seven no-hit innings at Milwaukee before Jose Valentin opened the eighth inning with a single. He flirted with perfection again the next season, setting down the first 23 Detroit Tigers on August 4, 1998 before giving up a two-out eighth-inning double to Frank Catalanotto.
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« Reply #4810 on: November 21, 2008, 08:22:01 AM »

Moose spent 3 weeks on the DL for one beaning:  Source.  Plus, Moose had some near no-hitters and perfect games especially against the Detroit Tigers when they were atrocious.

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Equally frustrating were Mussina’s string of near no-hitters. On May 30, 1997 he retired the first 25 Cleveland Indians before catcher Sandy Alomar, Jr. lined a single to left field with one out in the ninth, denying him what would have been the first perfect game in franchise history. (The following May, Alomar would drill a single that hit just below Mussina’s right eye, bloodying his face, fracturing his nose and sending him to the DL for three weeks.) After fanning the last two hitters, Mussina settled for a one-hit, 10-strikeout shutout. Less than a month later he tossed seven no-hit innings at Milwaukee before Jose Valentin opened the eighth inning with a single. He flirted with perfection again the next season, setting down the first 23 Detroit Tigers on August 4, 1998 before giving up a two-out eighth-inning double to Frank Catalanotto.

I was watching that Indians-Orioles game (TV) when Moose took one on the face... I was horrified.  Great pitcher, though; one of the few that would elicit a string of curses when he'd pitch (the other being sissy-boy Prima Donna Pedro &%$**#@ Martinez).
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« Reply #4811 on: November 21, 2008, 12:38:35 PM »

Somehow the random thread turned into a sports thread.  Derailment needed!   Grin

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« Reply #4812 on: November 21, 2008, 12:41:22 PM »

I'll fix this.

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« Reply #4813 on: November 21, 2008, 12:42:56 PM »

I'll fix this.



What, no "FAIL" written across?  Wink
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What, no "FAIL" written across?  Wink
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